[Noisebridge-discuss] Use of Nitrous Oxide in the space on Sunday night

[rachel lyra hospodar]

Responses not inline, because wtfbbq. An organization can be anarchist. It
can hold ideals and act on them. An anarchist can follow rules. Some
anarchists love them.

I think zach is awesome and we should care about his feelings.

I definitely have found, in my time at noisebridge:
-used dental dam
-goth kids doing nitrous (a Sunday night in the library many years ago)
-non-rodent feces (two different occasions)
-sleeping people
-tweaker people
-rob2.0 sacked out on the roof with a lady friend
-a belgian too drunk to do anything but scat sing and sleep in the darkroom
Among other things.

I have helped eject banz0red people.

I have also encountered people who design and build every kind of hardware
and software I like to use. Seriously, there's a lot of mental firepower
floating around. Noisebridge has been to space, and has designed a new 3d
printing platform. I have learned about tea, kombucha, mushrooms, vinegar.
Coding. Data architecture.  I once helped a kid ride an electric unicycle.
This week when I came I met some journalists who were visiting from
oppressive regimes to chat about mesh network technology. God I loved
noisebridge in that moment.

I think the issue is not that we should make a rule about nitrous and you
can only use it if you are hacking brains. I think the issue is that zach,
who is a part of our community, had a problem and people didn't respond by
giving enough of a shit.

Anarchism can have rules or not, but if we don't give enough of a shit
about each other's feelings it all falls apart.

R.
On Oct 11, 2012 10:12 PM, "Taylor Alexander" <tlalexander at gmail.com> wrote:

> I thought the assertion that NB is an anarchist space to be a bit
> interesting. There may be many people at NB who identify with anarchist
> ideals, but as a legal non-profit operating in San Francisco, it's simply
> not possible for NoiseBridge, as an organization, to be anarchist. NB has
> to comply with building codes, fire laws, local ordinances (one of those
> covers smoking on the fire escape, which is a defined no-no from the
> chatter I've followed on the list), zoning laws (sleeping in the space, a
> definite no-no), etc.
>
> Noisebridge members may prefer to follow certain anarchist ideals, but the
> organization cannot actually be truly anarchist without quickly getting
> booted from SF.
>
> I'm all for reasonable illegal drug use and I personally wouldn't be
> bothered if people did them in the space (I like N2O myself), but simply
> saying NB is an anarchist organization and therefore doesn't need to follow
> the laws is ignoring all of the laws noisebridge DOES choose to follow as
> an organization, like the aforementioned sleeping in the space and smoking
> on the fire escape.
>
> As for whether or not some people doing whippets really needs an official
> decision from the group, I have no idea. I'm not a regular so I'm not going
> to bother trying to make a suggestion on that. Just wanted to point out the
> fallacy in the "we are anarchist" argument. NB may be "mostly anarchist",
> but that still doesn't explain which laws are going to be followed
> completely and which will be skirted/bent/ignored.
>
> In general its important for a hackerspace to allow its members to chose
> to violate certain laws (DMCA circumvention and other hacking projects come
> to mind), but its harder to make that argument for drug use. Though
> personally I'd think it would be best for noisebridge not to make an
> official decision on this. But that's just my opinion.
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Brian Cloutier <
> briancloutier2010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  > 2) the intoxicated people need to be physically able to leave and
>> > psychologically able to comprehend that they are being asked to either
>> > leave or stop use.
>>
>> Some of you have some very weird misconceptions about N2O.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
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