[Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the space/Being excellent

[Mitchel McAllister]

Well, the discussion right now seems to be about excluding the power users. Either we are only allowed to be in the space when there is a public event or we are only allowed to be here when there is a member present to supervise us.

And it is not passive aggressive to state a fact. I have been called a troll for posting to this and other Noisebridge lists. 

- Reverend Mik
The greatest crime against humanity is apologizing for doing the right thing.

--- On Sat, 10/20/12, Eric W. Rasmussen <ewr at majortek.com> wrote:

From: Eric W. Rasmussen <ewr at majortek.com>
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the space/Being excellent
To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 9:44 PM


  

    
  
  
    You've made some excellent points but your last comment was passive
    aggressive.

    

    I am not a member because I can not afford to be one. If I had $80 a
    month, I would gladly give it. However, being a Power User does not
    exclude me from taking on the role of Member.

    

    Noisebridge does not have leadership. This is a Do-ocracy.

    

    If you see a problem, fix it. Use the materials available.
    Improvise. This is the "Maker" mantra. Credit is not due to those
    that perform good deeds. No one is looked upon with a higher
    gratitude because they help others.

    

    Noisebridge is altruism.

    

    If someone wants to paint and there are haters, fuck them. If
    someone wants to use the kitchen and there are haters, fuck them. If
    someone is giving false information, intervene. Give tours when
    needed.

    

    You love Noisebridge, right? Take ownership.

    

    

    On 10/20/2012 09:03 PM, Mitchel
      McAllister wrote:

    
    
      
        
          
            I've been sharing
              what's being discussed by a few regulars in the space, or
              as Danny called us once, "power users".

              

              Understand that these are people who regularly chip in to
              clean up or get things put into a semblence of order
              (especially after events). We wash dishes, we take the
              trash out, we bring the bins back in, we sweep the
              floors... We try to not make waves, we try to help out
              when we can. And right now, a couple of us have been
              assisting Cliff in painting the space.

              

              Yet, a few minutes or an hour after we do things like
              this, someone will stomp through the space, talking loudly
              about how "those people" need to be kicked out because
              "those people" never do a damned thing around the space.

              

              Most of the people jumping in to fix computers or other
              gadgets brought in by visitors in the past two months have
              been "power users". Throughout the day, evening, and
              night, there are often times where there are no members
              present - no members to welcome newcomers, no members to
              give visitors tours.

              

              Some of the other "power users" feel that they can't come
              to the meetings to discuss things that are going on. They
              feel that they aren't allowed to speak up, because they're
              not members. They feel they shouldn't "bother" members by
              joining conversations.

              

              And I have heard several people giving out incorrect or
              misleading information on how to become a member. "You
              have to collaborate on a couple projects with real members
              before you're allowed to put in an application," has been
              one I've heard several times.

              

              The amount of pure shit that happens when there are no
              members present, or when members are sequestered off by
              themselves, is alarming. But if members don't approach
              visitors or "power users" and actively solicit feedback,
              get involved in discussions, or at least try to get to
              know them, it will continue, and probably get worse.

              

              Yes, I know, I am considered a troll on the discussion
              list. And because I am a troll, nothing I have said has
              any relevance or value. After all, it's easier to dismiss
              me as a troll than actually consider any points I may have
              made.

              

              - Reverend Mik

              It is impossible to wage war or commit violence,
              unless you first prove the other party is less human than
              you are. - Shane Vassad

            
          
        
      
      

      
      

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