[Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the space/Being excellent

[Eric W. Rasmussen]

Relax. No one is going to kick you out for not being a member. If you 
take ownership of NB it's as good as being a member.

Be a leader. Be a teacher.

On 10/20/2012 10:12 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
> Well, the discussion right now seems to be about excluding the power 
> users. Either we are only allowed to be in the space when there is a 
> public event or we are only allowed to be here when there is a member 
> present to supervise us.
>
> And it is not passive aggressive to state a fact. I have been called a 
> troll for posting to this and other Noisebridge lists.
>
> - Reverend Mik
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The greatest crime against humanity is apologizing for doing the right 
> thing.
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/20/12, Eric W. Rasmussen /<ewr at majortek.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Eric W. Rasmussen <ewr at majortek.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the space/Being excellent
>     To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>     Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 9:44 PM
>
>     You've made some excellent points but your last comment was
>     passive aggressive.
>
>     I am not a member because I can not afford to be one. If I had $80
>     a month, I would gladly give it. However, being a Power User does
>     not exclude me from taking on the role of Member.
>
>     Noisebridge does not have leadership. This is a Do-ocracy.
>
>     If you see a problem, fix it. Use the materials available.
>     Improvise. This is the "Maker" mantra. Credit is not due to those
>     that perform good deeds. No one is looked upon with a higher
>     gratitude because they help others.
>
>     Noisebridge is altruism.
>
>     If someone wants to paint and there are haters, fuck them. If
>     someone wants to use the kitchen and there are haters, fuck them.
>     If someone is giving false information, intervene. Give tours when
>     needed.
>
>     You love Noisebridge, right? Take ownership.
>
>
>     On 10/20/2012 09:03 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
>>     I've been sharing what's being discussed by a few regulars in the
>>     space, or as Danny called us once, "power users".
>>
>>     Understand that these are people who regularly chip in to clean
>>     up or get things put into a semblence of order (especially after
>>     events). We wash dishes, we take the trash out, we bring the bins
>>     back in, we sweep the floors... We try to not make waves, we try
>>     to help out when we can. And right now, a couple of us have been
>>     assisting Cliff in painting the space.
>>
>>     Yet, a few minutes or an hour after we do things like this,
>>     someone will stomp through the space, talking loudly about how
>>     "those people" need to be kicked out because "those people" never
>>     do a damned thing around the space.
>>
>>     Most of the people jumping in to fix computers or other gadgets
>>     brought in by visitors in the past two months have been "power
>>     users". Throughout the day, evening, and night, there are often
>>     times where there are no members present - no members to welcome
>>     newcomers, no members to give visitors tours.
>>
>>     Some of the other "power users" feel that they can't come to the
>>     meetings to discuss things that are going on. They feel that they
>>     aren't allowed to speak up, because they're not members. They
>>     feel they shouldn't "bother" members by joining conversations.
>>
>>     And I have heard several people giving out incorrect or
>>     misleading information on how to become a member. "You have to
>>     collaborate on a couple projects with real members before you're
>>     allowed to put in an application," has been one I've heard
>>     several times.
>>
>>     The amount of pure shit that happens when there are no members
>>     present, or when members are sequestered off by themselves, is
>>     alarming. But if members don't approach visitors or "power users"
>>     and actively solicit feedback, get involved in discussions, or at
>>     least try to get to know them, it will continue, and probably get
>>     worse.
>>
>>     Yes, I know, I am considered a troll on the discussion list. And
>>     because I am a troll, nothing I have said has any relevance or
>>     value. After all, it's easier to dismiss me as a troll than
>>     actually consider any points I may have made.
>>
>>     - Reverend Mik
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     It is impossible to wage war or commit violence, unless you first
>>     prove the other party is less human than you are. - Shane Vassad
>>
>>
>>
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