[Noisebridge-discuss] Dogs

maestro maestro415 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 17 08:56:48 UTC 2012


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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Eric W. Rasmussen <ewr at majortek.com>wrote:

> **
> I love your pup. She looks menacing on appearance but gives great love
> upon contact.
>
> You have my support.
>
> On 09/16/2012 10:15 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:
>
>   There are several people here, two of whom were recently "confronted"
> on their dog being at Noisebridge, who bring their dog with them because
> they do not have anyone to watch their dog for them, and are not allowed to
> leave the dog at home unsupervised. Their dog has been quiet, friendly, and
> has not caused a mess. Yes, the dog is large, but usually just sits under
> the table. On one occasion, the dog did whine, but that was because she did
> see me walk into the space and wanted to say hello.
>
> However, the original poster stated the problem as if each and every large
> dog is a vicious man-killer just waiting to go off. Suddenly, the subject
> switched to breathing issues. And yes, if a person "can't breathe" due to a
> dog being present, then their allergies or asthma will be severe enough to
> be similarly affected by dust and other animal dander, not to mention
> chemical fumes.
>
> - Mik McAllister
>
> --- On *Sun, 9/16/12, Gopiballava Flaherty <gopiballava at gmail.com><gopiballava at gmail.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Gopiballava Flaherty <gopiballava at gmail.com> <gopiballava at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Dogs
> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 9:35 PM
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Mitchel McAllister <xonimmortal at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=xonimmortal@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> > I have yet to see anyone who has a problem breathing around dogs
> actually weigh in on this subject. It's hard to gauge how many people are
> affected this way, if none of them actually speak up.
>
> My wife no longer goes to NB because of the dogs.
>
> I think we need to hear from somebody who brings their dog to NB, or who
> feels the *personal* desire to have dogs there - not merely people
> defending the rights of others to bring dogs.
>
> We *know* that there are some people who have problems going to NB due to
> dogs. I think we need to understand, from the people who want to bring
> their dogs there, how much this would inconvenience them or how much less
> pleasant their hacking experience would be.
>
> (I'm not being facetious - I've never owned a dog, so I am not good at
> understanding the emotional or practical issues of how you feel about
> having your dog with your or about how most people cope with the fact that
> dogs are banned in many places.)
>
> > I am allergic to dust and pet dander. My sinuses are also irritated by
> certain chemical fumes. However, that is *my* problem, not Noisebridge's.
>
> So: Noisebridge should not do anything to make the space more suited for
> anybody? Ever? Of course not. There has to be balance.
>
> I think that comparing the fumes and chemicals emitted by hacking to the
> allergens emitted by dogs is an unreasonable comparison. Noisebridge is a
> *hackerspace*. There will be the airborne results of hacking, or else it
> will be an *extremely* limited hacking space.
>
> Dogs and other (non-service) companion animals make the place more
> pleasant for some hackers, but they aren't related to the core purpose of
> the space.
>
> Here's a thought experiment: If somebody started hacking with a chemical
> that made, say, 1/3 of people gag but 2/3 of people didn't even notice,
> would that be acceptable? (Assuming it was not killing people of course).
> I'd like to think that it would be something that needed long discussion
> and would have a high chance of being severely restricted because chasing
> people away is really not very excellent.
>
> Where would you draw the line? That's the question. But I really think
> there is a line between letting people do anything they want, and not
> chasing people away.
>
> > I am not going to demand that Noisebridge implement twice-daily
> cleanings to take care of dust.
>
> No, and neither is anybody else. Just because somebody can demand that you
> take *unreasonable* measures to accommodate their needs doesn't mean that
> you should do *nothing*.
>
> > Yes, I, a person allergic to dog dander, am defending the presence of
> dogs in the space. I made the decision a long time ago to cope with it,
> because I enjoy the presence of dogs and other furry creatures.
>
> You are aware that some people are more allergic than yourself, yes?
>
> > You also completely disregarded my point regarding the presence of other
> allergens in the space which exceeds the quantity of dog allergens in the
> space. I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt and assume that was
> inadvertent. I look forward to seeing you correct this lapse.
>
> You made an assertion, not a point. You surely know that people can have
> different levels of allergic reactions to different compounds, yes?
> Quantity doesn't matter as much as reaction level.
>
> You also seem to be implying that banning dogs would not significantly
> help dog-allergic people because the dust is terrible enough to keep them
> out. Is that correct? If that is what you are claiming, and it's true, then
> really no further discussion is needed on the topic. However, I don't think
> you're right for most dog-allergic people.
>
>
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