[Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop

Leif Ryge leif at synthesize.us
Tue Apr 16 20:03:55 UTC 2013

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:54:11AM -0700, Ken M. Haggerty wrote:
> Thanks, Reverend Mik. *This is really unacceptable.*
> I think it would do us some good to establish set of *"Hacker ethics"* very
> much in line with what is at MIT:
> *http://tech.mit.edu/V127/N66/graphics/thumb-lg-hackingethics.jpg*
> These *guidelines* could be posted in LARGE LETTERS as a mural as you enter
> the space so that it is made clear what is expected of individuals whom are
> given the *privilege* to enjoy Noisebridge and the community we as a whole
> have created.
> The idea of a *non-binding* set of *protocols* would be to establish a
> normalization of behavior (a phrase I am sure will bother more than a few
> people).
> One of the key things I have learned thus far in life is that *you really
> cannot assume anything of anyone*, including "standards" of behavior; not
> because "people are bad," but because...
> • People come from all sorts of backgrounds and experiences, and the one
> experience that taught you not to pick your nose may not have happened to
> someone else.
> • We are a product of the environment with which we surround ourselves.
> • Everything each of us knows is a result of an external input being
> interpretted by an internal process, and we each have varying reactions to
> external inputs.
> Those who are generally active in these discussions are likely not those
> who are treating the space poorly, and so these email threads are *preaching
> to the choir* + the few "trolls" who, to a limited extent, do us a service
> by engaging debate (and then usually things fall to pieces...).
> *The challenge then is in determining what characteristics of Noisebridge
> are indeed are part of our proud character and which are merely
> correlational and/or detrimental and should be changed.*
> I may or may not be at tonight's meeting as I am leaving for NYC tomorrow
> for a week.
> -Ken

I think the issues in this thread (feces and urine in the shop, and
bottles of urine being left elsewhere) are ideal examples of behavior
that is unlikely to be prevented by posting signs with rules or
guidelines. Can anyone imagine someone believing it was ok to do these
things, but then, upon seeing a sign declaring that this is unacceptable
behavior, realizing the error of their ways? I certainly can't.
(Meanwhile, what effect might such signs have on the vast majority of
people who would never consider leaving bottles of urine in the space?)

Thank you, Jarrod, for cleaning up this and other messes which were not

If anyone knows the source of any kind of mess left in the space, please
ask the persons responsible to clean up their mess!

A few days ago while I was at Noisebridge a grey dog was seen urinating.
The person who saw it got up and located the dogs owner, who promptly
cleaned it up. I think it should be entirely uncontroversial to say that
if your dog isn't house trained you shouldn't bring it to Noisebridge.
But I don't think we need a sign to that effect.


> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Mitchel McAllister
> <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > There were no dogs in the space last night that I know of.
> >
> > However, it was brought to my attention early this morning that there have
> > been bottles and other containers full of urine found in hidden places in
> > the space. It doesn't make sense to me either.
> >
> >
> > - Reverend Mik McAllister
> > ------------------------------
> > "You can see the summit but you can't reach it
> > Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit
> > Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain
> > Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"
> >  - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"
> > ------------------------------
> > Purveyor of Subversive Fiction
> > http://www.prismandink.com
> > http://www.lunatextpublications.com
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 4/16/13, jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop
> > To: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:33 AM
> >
> >
> > I arrived at Noisebridge about 15 minutes ago to get some work done. There
> > was a large pile of feces next to the table saw and a drying puddle of
> > urine next to the drill press. I have cleaned up the feces and am in the
> > process of drying, sweeping, and cleaning up the urine.
> >
> > This is the second time within the last week that there has been feces in
> > the shop, and more than the second time that I have found urine in the
> > space.
> >
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