[Noisebridge-discuss] Daravinne / stolen data

Tony Longshanks LeTigre anthonyletigre at gmail.com
Wed Apr 17 23:04:19 UTC 2013


I believe you, and I will now stop posting about this issue. Gladly. And
actually, believe it or not, I'm about to go have a very beautiful day,
because it's gorgeous out, & even if I never get any of that data back,
I'll survive & the world will remain beautiful.

But I want it back.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Josh Hertel <jhertel242 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> You are right about that. I should have and I'm sorry. Life got
> complicated and the issue got pushed out of my head. I am sorry I didn't do
> anything before. I will take care of your data. I would just ask you to
> stop posting about this issue. It will be taken care of in a positive way.
>
> -Joshua Hertel
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Tony Longshanks LeTigre <anthonyletigre at gmail.com>
> *To:* Josh Hertel <jhertel242 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com>; Ryan Rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com>;
> Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:50 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Daravinne / stolen data
>
> And you know, if you really cared about the issue, Josh, you could've made
> a feeble attempt to do something when I first notified you of the issue,
> several um was it weeks ago? Before I felt the need to post this publicly?
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If someone took your work for the past 3 years & sadistically withheld it,
> you'd have "negative energy" too. Give me a break, Kermit.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Josh Hertel <jhertel242 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Tony, no one needs this negative energy in the world. I will find a way to
> get your data back to you. I would ask you to please not drag her name
> through the mud, especially on a open forum like this.
> I know you had a falling out and I'm sorry about that, putting this
> negativity out there is not good for anyone.
>
> -Joshua Hertel
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ryan Rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Daravinne / stolen data
>
> I just don't see any need to dredge through all the interpersonal details
> and drama here, or any need to judge on whether people have it together to
> back up their data or not. It also has nothing to do with "social capital".
>
> Why keep someone's data from them when it is trivial to hand it over to
> them, whether by uploading it or by sticking it on a usb drive. Jeez.  I
> have ones to spare and have offered them multiple times to daravinne.
>
> Daravinne, do you have the data or did you erase it? That is basically the
> only question.  I will come to you and transfer the data.   That way you
> will not have to deal with any sort of drama, minimal annoyance, and Tony
> will have his stuff back. I know Danny is also perfectly willing to do this.
>
>
> -
> Liz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Ryan Rawson <ryanobjc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So I kind of know Dara, I have a shared social circle with her.  I dont
> really know you though, only via mailing lists.
>
> The reality is this isnt how it's done.  You use your social capital and
> backchannel that shit.
>
> That you are going so public, says to me, that you don't have that social
> capital. That's too bad.  Surely someone can do you a favor and
> intermediate you - like Danny, etc?
>
> Can't put the genie back in the bottle.  Next time, work your social
> network.
>
> Now to the actual email content, I dont like the robin hood mentality, its
> a reversible logic to me. If someone achieves their moral state by virtue
> of not having worldly possessions, why isnt the opposite true?  As for her
> comments, dara is doing you a lot of favors here, and dealing with the
> criminal justice system is also a big thing as well.  In terms of timely
> return of your data (which appears to be the KEY issue here), she isn't
> under obligation, and I know she has been out of town for a week.  As for
> her "incriminating IM lines" - they sound like something she said, and they
> seem like they could be a reasonable assessment of the issue.  I personally
> don't have any 16GB flash drives I want to give away either, so its a thing.
>
> And also, its 2013 - one last word, CLOUD.  16GB is a trivial amount of
> data, might I suggest dropbox.com, mega.co.nz and many others.
>  Especially for someone who knows he is at risk of having things
> confiscated by police, etc. Use mega.co.nz (50 GB free) for cold storage,
> dropbox for active.  Problem solved.
>
> -ryan
> ps: I'm not sure I can approve of calling her 'cunt'. Is this what all
> assertive females get for not bending to other people's will?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <
> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Recently I was arrested after 6 months of living in the darkroom of an
> unused science lab on the UCSF Parnassus campus. The police attempted to
> charge me with burglary (which the prosecuting attorney dropped) but only
> the misdemeanor charges of trespassing & illegal lodging stuck.* They took
> a Macbook Pro computer that had been loaned to me by Daravinne aka
> Christina Olson who is the self-styled producer of 5 Minutes of Fame,
> insinuating that I must have stolen it. I did not steal it; Christina Olson
> gave it to me as "a long-term loan" last year when we were both working on
> the Noisebridge zine project I inaugurated, ZiP. At the time the police
> confiscated the Macbook, it contained all of the ZiP layouts & associated
> files, plus all the InDesign, Photoshop & Illustrator work I'd done over
> the last several years, plus a vast spreadsheet-slash-database in progress
> containing all the info on properties & alternative housing in SF I'd been
> collecting obsessively over the course of the preceding year & a half, my
> journals/diaries for the past 10 years, all of my writing creative
> journalistic & otherwise—the police also took my thumb drive, which was my
> only (partial) backup of all this material. The police told me only
> Christina Olson could reclaim the computer, since it was registered to her
> name. Christina Olson & I agreed that Christina Olson would take back her
> Macbook (so it could continue to sit unused in her overstuffed apartment
> while she sits in front of her other, newer, fancier computer) once it was
> retrieved from the police. I asked Christina Olson to let me get my files
> off her Macbook before she took it back. She agreed. (I believe I have the
> chat logs of this stored on the computer I'm currently borrowing in lieu of
> not having a computer at all.) I recently found out that she went behind my
> back & reclaimed the computer from the police like a month ago. She
> casually revealed this via IM, following this revelation up with a number
> of lovely statements including
>
> *You are a pain in the ass to deal with*
> *when ya stab me in the back, use my vulnerability due to police/court
> custody to steal my fuckin files, you're damn right, I'm a motherfuckin
> SCORPION & you haven't seen the half of it!*
>
> and
>
> *You are a failure as a human being*
> *BWAHAhaha yes Your Honor!*
>
> The C-word was made for people like this. I don't like Christina Olson. I
> don't wanna be her friend or talk to her. I just want my shit back. She
> told me it totals 16GB & she's not willing to let me transfer it on her
> thumb drive. I recently sold a painting so have enough $ to buy a thumb
> drive that will hold 16GB. I don't think she's gonna communicate with me,
> though, so I'm posting this in hopes The Community may help me put some
> pressure on her to get my shit back. The computer is hers—no problem—the
> personal files & info on it are mine. I know she hangs out in the chat
> rooms quite a bit, if that helps. Daravinne = Christina Olson.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can offer. Signing off for the day NOW & I'll
> be back again tomorrow (but less wordy, I promise)
>
> +11+
>
>
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