[Noisebridge-discuss] cooking timers!

[Danny O'Brien]

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Kevin Schiesser <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> I disagree fully. There is not a no sleeping rule at Noisebridge. Be
> excellent, right? Photographing all sleepers is not excellent, and I feel
> invasive and unnecessary in most situations. It's important that an effort
> with polite but firmness is made to awaken sleepers before photographing,
> and certainly before requesting they leave and not come back until a Tuesday
> meeting.

My own feeling has evolved/devolved on this. I now think the right way
to think of sousveillance/surveillance is as a *negative constraint*,
rather than a pervasive thing to be assumed, or something that does
not exist at all.

My turning point came when I had to escort someone out of the space (I
was called from home to get the guy out, because everyone else had
apparently become too exasperated to do so). It took me an hour of
gentle coaxing because I decided that I wasn't going to shout or
threaten him. The last twenty or so minutes were down on the bottom
steps. Within seconds of me finally sighing announcing I was going to
take a photo of him sitting and refusing to leave, then taking a photo
of the guy, he left, having negotiated with me to delete the picture.

I think taking photographs without permission isn't a good thing, in
the same way as excluding someone from the space isn't a good thing.
But I don't think you either have the blanket right to do things
without being photographed, nor do I think that everyone gets to use
the space, no matter what. Clearly delineated public activist
recording shouldn't be an assumed state, but I'm okay with it being an
act you personally exercise on someone whose behaviour you believe to
be unexcellent.

(I'm pretty tentative about this, and totally happy to be persuaded of
the opposite of this)

d.



>
> My 2c on protocol. I would be very disappointed if we had a queue of
> sleepers at every Tuesday meeting.
>
> --Kevin
>
>
> On 08/25/2013 02:53 AM, Jake wrote:
>>
>> Yes Jim that would help.  We need to figure out who the people are who are
>> sleeping at noisebridge and ask them (when they're awake) to leave until
>> they come talk about it at a meeting.
>>
>> thank you
>> -jake
>>
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>>     Would it help to take photos of sleepers
>> and print and post them for the rest of us
>> to identify?
>>
>> On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 05:10 -0700, Alexandra Glowaski wrote:
>>>
>>> 7:3 sleepers to wakers; polite-but-firmness and t.A.T.u both failing.
>>> This is a solved problem: will try to pick up some very irritating
>>> kitchen timers befor I come in again. I trust we all know what to do.
>>>
>>
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