[Noisebridge-discuss] today's noon sleephackers
Rachel McConnell
rachel at xtreme.com
Fri Aug 9 21:39:47 UTC 2013
The way to doocratically create policy change is to convince enough
people that your proposed policy will improve NB, such that they
voluntarily adhere to it. Like I said before, not easy! But people are
in fact trying this, which is why I complained about your statement that
"nobody is doing anything about it".
On 8/9/13 2:18 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
> Yeah, i know about doocracy and i know there was a rebase. Still, i
> think the place would be much better without the kitchen and switch it
> to a ''pay what you can'' communal coffee and microwave station. Which i
> have brought up a lot. I'm not going to be an enabler for the idealist,
> autocratic consensus that knows no compromise by cleaning, etc. there
> needs to be a policy change and no amount of doacracy will allow that.
>
> On Aug 9, 2013 1:54 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com
> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone who wants to donate in the meantime, see
> https://www.noisebridge.net/__wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues
> <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues>
>
> On 8/9/13 1:52 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:
>
> Nicholas, I think it is unfair to say, "noone is doing anything
> about
> it". First, lots of people are doing things, but since there is
> not a
> full consensus about what the problem is nor what is best to do
> about
> it, sometimes these things counteract each other (e.g. the sleeping
> pods) so it's often hard to see. Also, the problem (broadly
> defined as
> non-hackers doing stuff that impedes hacking) is a hard one to
> solve, as
> it is not obvious how to a) identify non-hackers nor how to b)
> either
> make them into hackers or encourage them to not-hack elsewhere.
>
> Second, if you want changes to happen, please please please make
> them
> happen yourself! You have heard, endlessly, about "doocracy".
> It is
> really a thing. That is really how shit gets done at NB. Yeah,
> not a
> lot of shit gets done, and some things that everyone agrees would be
> nice to happen, don't, but that's only because nobody has
> stepped up to
> actually do them. You could do them, you know. (You too,
> everyone else
> who is reading this.)
>
> Daniel, regarding the donation box: it was stolen some time back
> according to an earlier thread. I'm in process of making a new,
> heavy
> and sturdy steel one, but it will take me another week or so.
> Anyone
> who wants to provide one in the meantime, feel free.
>
> Rachel1.0
>
> On 8/9/13 1:44 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
> Fair enough. I do think a lot of changes at noisebridge need
> to be made,
> but nothing is enforceable. Sooo, idk. It's just annoying to
> keep
> hearing the same problem and no one is doing anything about
> it. I agree
> it's a problem that detracts from other peoples use of the
> space. I took
> the picture joke too sensitively. It's friday, be happy!
>
> I do love noisebridge and am upset nothing changes accept
> the slow,
> entropic demise of the space.
>
> On Aug 9, 2013 1:35 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
> <arrays.tostring at gmail.com <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.__com
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Nicholas, I carefully excluded clear pictures of
> anyone's face from
> the photos I posted.
>
> I wouldn't want to accidentally leak the identity of a
> Noisebridge
> bunk bed crasher or couch sleeper.
>
> That could be anyone in the bunk beds. If it was a
> couple of body
> pillows
> plus animated mannequin heads, I apologize. Excellent
> hack.
>
> ok snarkiness off. I'm sorry for being rude. There's a
> huge bunch
> of homeless guys camping in noisebridge again.
>
> In an unrelated item, I wanted to drop off my
> traditional $10
> donation of whenever I walk through the door of 2169
> Mission, but I
> couldn't find the donation box.
>
> Have a nice day (really).
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Rachel McConnell
> <rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>
> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> Rules? What rules? We have *one* guideline: Be
> excellent to
> each other.
>
> It is of course a matter of debate whether the
> following are
> excellent, or which is less excellent:
>
> * sleeping at NB
> * photographing sleepers at NB
>
> Rachel1.0
>
>
> On 8/9/13 12:54 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
> I wish you'd do something interesting with your
> time in the
> space.
> Instead you break the rules photographing
> people without
> their consent.
>
> The guy in camo pants fell asleep reading about
> calculus and
> actually
> understands java really well.
>
> Please attend the next meeting, Daniel. I'm not
> sure you
> understand the
> rules of this place.
>
> On Aug 9, 2013 12:13 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
> <arrays.tostring at gmail.com
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.__com
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.>____com
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.__com
> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>
> They look so peaceful
>
> http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____fVTplDL
> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL>
> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL
> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#fVTplDL>>
> http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____JdP9laC
> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC>
> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC
> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#JdP9laC>>
>
>
> Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz____zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
>
>
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