[Noisebridge-discuss] today's noon sleephackers
Nicholas LoCicero
nick.locicero at gmail.com
Fri Aug 9 21:48:03 UTC 2013
It was poorly worded. My apologies. I think 'nothing seems to be working
yet' is more what I meant. Although, some things are beginning to work. If
there's anything i can do, please let me know! :)
On Aug 9, 2013 2:39 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> The way to doocratically create policy change is to convince enough people
> that your proposed policy will improve NB, such that they voluntarily
> adhere to it. Like I said before, not easy! But people are in fact trying
> this, which is why I complained about your statement that "nobody is doing
> anything about it".
>
> On 8/9/13 2:18 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>
>> Yeah, i know about doocracy and i know there was a rebase. Still, i
>> think the place would be much better without the kitchen and switch it
>> to a ''pay what you can'' communal coffee and microwave station. Which i
>> have brought up a lot. I'm not going to be an enabler for the idealist,
>> autocratic consensus that knows no compromise by cleaning, etc. there
>> needs to be a policy change and no amount of doacracy will allow that.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2013 1:54 PM, "Rachel McConnell" <rachel at xtreme.com
>> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who wants to donate in the meantime, see
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/__**wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues<https://www.noisebridge.net/__wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues>
>> <https://www.noisebridge.net/**wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues<https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues>
>> >
>>
>> On 8/9/13 1:52 PM, Rachel McConnell wrote:
>>
>> Nicholas, I think it is unfair to say, "noone is doing anything
>> about
>> it". First, lots of people are doing things, but since there is
>> not a
>> full consensus about what the problem is nor what is best to do
>> about
>> it, sometimes these things counteract each other (e.g. the
>> sleeping
>> pods) so it's often hard to see. Also, the problem (broadly
>> defined as
>> non-hackers doing stuff that impedes hacking) is a hard one to
>> solve, as
>> it is not obvious how to a) identify non-hackers nor how to b)
>> either
>> make them into hackers or encourage them to not-hack elsewhere.
>>
>> Second, if you want changes to happen, please please please make
>> them
>> happen yourself! You have heard, endlessly, about "doocracy".
>> It is
>> really a thing. That is really how shit gets done at NB. Yeah,
>> not a
>> lot of shit gets done, and some things that everyone agrees would
>> be
>> nice to happen, don't, but that's only because nobody has
>> stepped up to
>> actually do them. You could do them, you know. (You too,
>> everyone else
>> who is reading this.)
>>
>> Daniel, regarding the donation box: it was stolen some time back
>> according to an earlier thread. I'm in process of making a new,
>> heavy
>> and sturdy steel one, but it will take me another week or so.
>> Anyone
>> who wants to provide one in the meantime, feel free.
>>
>> Rachel1.0
>>
>> On 8/9/13 1:44 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough. I do think a lot of changes at noisebridge need
>> to be made,
>> but nothing is enforceable. Sooo, idk. It's just annoying to
>> keep
>> hearing the same problem and no one is doing anything about
>> it. I agree
>> it's a problem that detracts from other peoples use of the
>> space. I took
>> the picture joke too sensitively. It's friday, be happy!
>>
>> I do love noisebridge and am upset nothing changes accept
>> the slow,
>> entropic demise of the space.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2013 1:35 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
>> <arrays.tostring at gmail.com <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**
>> com <arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**__com
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nicholas, I carefully excluded clear pictures of
>> anyone's face from
>> the photos I posted.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to accidentally leak the identity of a
>> Noisebridge
>> bunk bed crasher or couch sleeper.
>>
>> That could be anyone in the bunk beds. If it was a
>> couple of body
>> pillows
>> plus animated mannequin heads, I apologize. Excellent
>> hack.
>>
>> ok snarkiness off. I'm sorry for being rude. There's a
>> huge bunch
>> of homeless guys camping in noisebridge again.
>>
>> In an unrelated item, I wanted to drop off my
>> traditional $10
>> donation of whenever I walk through the door of 2169
>> Mission, but I
>> couldn't find the donation box.
>>
>> Have a nice day (really).
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Rachel McConnell
>> <rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>
>> <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Rules? What rules? We have *one* guideline: Be
>> excellent to
>> each other.
>>
>> It is of course a matter of debate whether the
>> following are
>> excellent, or which is less excellent:
>>
>> * sleeping at NB
>> * photographing sleepers at NB
>>
>> Rachel1.0
>>
>>
>> On 8/9/13 12:54 PM, Nicholas LoCicero wrote:
>>
>> I wish you'd do something interesting with your
>> time in the
>> space.
>> Instead you break the rules photographing
>> people without
>> their consent.
>>
>> The guy in camo pants fell asleep reading about
>> calculus and
>> actually
>> understands java really well.
>>
>> Please attend the next meeting, Daniel. I'm not
>> sure you
>> understand the
>> rules of this place.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2013 12:13 PM, "Daniel Kelly"
>> <arrays.tostring at gmail.com
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
>> >
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**__com
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**>____com
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**__com
>> <mailto:arrays.tostring at gmail.**com<arrays.tostring at gmail.com>>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> They look so peaceful
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#____fVTplDL>
>> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL>
>> >
>> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__fVTplDL>
>> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#**fVTplDL<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#fVTplDL>
>> >>
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>> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC>
>> >
>> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#__JdP9laC>
>> <http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#**JdP9laC<http://imgur.com/a/UDB1M#JdP9laC>
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