[Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus proposal: renaming member categories

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Mon Dec 9 05:48:20 UTC 2013

I don't care to argue about it. I'm just going to do it.


On 8 December 2013 21:07, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> You are confused about what "do-acracy" means, Charles. It is meant to
> encourage people to take initiative instead of waiting to be told or
> "assigned" to do something. It does not mean "ignore the criticisms and
> concerns that other people bring up and do something anyway".
> On Dec 8, 2013 7:24 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>> Now we are talking rhetoric,
>> Indeed, this isn't just a question of an aquarium. But the discourse of
>> control of the rhetorical space.
>> But, the issue was spurred by the aquarium. The influences and the
>> dynamics of the schemas involved here are deep-seated, and clearly run back
>> for years. They are indeed, hegemonic, by binding together individuals in a
>> power struggle for social dominance.
>> Don't we have more pressing concerns here? Like maybe, getting money for
>> the organization or like avoiding people stealing from the place. I gave
>> some organizational information to get more money for noise bridge. Still,
>> I haven't received a response from TomAl. Because they are allowing the
>> rhetorical space to dominate a pragmatic discussion.
>> You could have had your laser cutter fixed by now.
>> Also, why does my Wiki page have to be updated by an "Anonymous," I'm not
>> a financial institution here, people. You don't have to wear your masks for
>> an aquarium, you can just put it on the mailing list discussion topic.
>> Moreover, it doesn't need to be edited for "popular culture," either.
>> Regardless, I thought the process of having a new member in the space was
>> to give a tour, then do all the formal stuff. No one gave me a tour. I was
>> just told about the wiki and do-ocracy.
>> So, based off of these interactions, I'm going to engage in do-ocracy,
>> despite the trolling, and fighting and build a fish tank somewhere with
>> controllers and pvc pipe, leds, potentially a chiller unit built from some
>> old computer parts and various other forms of hackery.
>> On 8 December 2013 19:07, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 8 December 2013 18:49, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>> > Uh FYI, I have my own apartment. . . .
>>> >
>>> > Regardless, why are we still poisoning the well. None of this is
>>> > tangentially related to what is clearly a hegemonic structure here.
>>> One,
>>> > that is unwilling to accept ideas, and if and when those ideas are
>>> brought
>>> > up, individuals serve to advance themselves in an non-pragmatic
>>> fashion.
>>> >
>>> > Why are we all talking to each other like this because of an Aquarium.
>>> You're talking like this about an aquarium because the people involved
>>> in a space that tries to openly accept everyone from all walk of life,
>>> surprisingly, have wildly different ideas about what, how, when, why
>>> and where to communicate. It's expected to be full of .. well, what
>>> you see here.
>>> The aquarium is practically irrelevant.
>>> (The practicalities of attempting to shepherd communication when faced
>>> with this kind of wildly different people and the subsequent
>>> self-organizing principles that humans seem to fall into is left as an
>>> exercise to the reader.)
>>> -adrian
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