[Noisebridge-discuss] Why Consensus Kills Community

Adrian Chadd adrian.chadd at gmail.com
Sat Dec 14 19:45:15 UTC 2013

.. And to not speak of Madelynn in the third person as that is totally not
what I intend - Madelynn, I'd like your feedback. :)

On Dec 14, 2013 11:31 AM, "Adrian Chadd" <adrian.chadd at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14 December 2013 11:21, Mike Schachter <cubicgoats at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think that dealing with what you perceive as "oddness" is a part of
> > dealing with a diverse set of people at Noisebridge. Sometimes while
> > teaching classes, certain individuals come to dominate discussions with
> > things that aren't on-topic. 100% of the time they were politely dealt
> with
> > (cut off) and the class continued. I'm not saying that my experience
> > teaching classes is the same as what happens at the meetings, only that I
> > understand how things can easily be sidetracked during a group meeting.
> I'm talking about oddness like someone who was asked to come back to a
> Tuesday meeting after anti-social behaviour ending up in a screaming
> match, followed by his lawyer making legal threats to everyone there.
> Or the discussions around people hiding in spaces to sleep. Or leaving
> human crap everywhere. etc.
> > I think Madelynn's suggested approach for Freeside-like meetings are
> viable,
> > and in addition all meeting discussions should be heavily moderated,
> > enforcing strict time limits for discussions and debates. I'm very
> > enthusiastic about the idea of members voting on things remotely as
> well. If
> > I don't go to the meetings, it means I don't have time to go to the
> > meetings, it doesn't mean I don't care about Noisebridge.
> I've noticed that up in San Francisco and Oakland people are very much
> for a lack of imposed authority and freedom to .. well, do whatever
> the hell you want.
> In some social circles there's a more rigid social hierarchy and set
> of expected behaviours that tends to curtail behaviour that's too far
> from the norm. Meetings and discussions tend to be different - you end
> up with little boat-rocking in an established organisation but with
> some unhappy people who don't fit in. So, those spin off and create
> new "things" (companies, social groups, spaces, etc.)
> I like her suggestions, but I still think it's worth digging into how
> much of that works because of the structure and how much of that works
> because of the people involved.
> -adrian
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