[Noisebridge-discuss] misogynist loser visiting noisebridge

[Hannah Grimm]

Danny,
This is simply false; there are absolutely privileges to membership besides
blocking, though most of them are recent.  For example, you are not
supposed to be in the space unless you are a member or sponsored by a
member (associate or capitol-M).  While anyone can ask someone to leave and
not come back until the next meeting (at which point people can have a vote
to ban them), but the anti-harassment policy allows a member to
*ban*someone who is violating the anti-harassment policy, without
having to go
through consensus.  If such an action is decided to have been done in
error, the membership can then allow them back *via consensus*.
 Essentially, for the case of harassment, the way we remove harassers is
flipped: now a harasser is removed by default, and it takes consensus to
bring them back, instead of people who have been accused of rape multiple
times being allowed to stay if they can find just a single patsy to vote
for them.  One of the concessions that was made at the meeting was that
only members would be able to banhammer a harasser.  We also had to accept
a trial time period instead of a permanent policy and agree that it
wouldn't be allowed to be implemented retroactively to get it passed.  I'm
not a fan of those concessions, but given that there were not one but
*two* literal
rapists at that meeting, I think we did pretty well for ourselves.


On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:

> There are no privileges to membership, apart from blocking (and a
> currently entirely theoretical first dibs on hacker shelves).  Anyone
> can ask anyone to leave. Or at least, that used to be the case.
>
> I'm a bit disturbed that the direction we're taking seem to be taking
> powers *away* from visitors to Noisebridge.
>
> d.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Because the anti-harassment policy predates the associate members
> existence,
> > and I don't know the rules around associate members well.  Did the
> meeting
> > in which we created them give them all the privileges of NB membership
> > EXCEPT the block, or did it specifically just give them the ability to
> be in
> > the space?  If it's the former, then any member would be able to remove
> > them.  This would be nice, since there should (theoretically) always be a
> > member in the space anytime we have people there.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why does it need a "capital M" member?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > "Trolling" is a deceptively benign term.  If anyone sees someone put
> up
> >> > similar fliers again, please grab a capital-M-member and have them ask
> >> > that
> >> > person to leave and never come back.  This behavior is clearly covered
> >> > by
> >> > our anti-harassment policy, and as a result doesn't require consensus
> to
> >> > ban.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "It's nothing bitch shut up" isn't well-meaning, it's just trolling.
> >> >> Take
> >> >> the flyer down, toss it, and continue hacking. But do message the
> list
> >> >> again
> >> >> if this anonymous coward keeps putting them up.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Al
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM, johny radio <johnyradio at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> i'm wondering if this person was some well-meaning activist trying
> to
> >> >>>> start a discussion.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> or trying to set a honey trap. Yes, i agree with you Jake.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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