[Noisebridge-discuss] Ryan coming to meeting

Tue Feb 19 23:17:16 UTC 2013

I saw this guy sleeping while we were getting trash ready to go to the dump
a few weeks ago.  I did not wake him up.  He wasn't there later in the
afternoon but his server was still on.  It is this old opterion 243 (read
uses a ton of power).  I shut it down gracefully after making sure it
wasn't doing anything.

I have no say in whether he is allowed back or not but it is clear that the
landlord doesn't want people sleeping here.  He has broken the rules (That
are beyond our control) multiple times.   I would humbly suggest that next
time someone sees him and asks him to leave, that they also make sure he
brings his server/laptop with him, every time he leaves.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> tl;dr  Ryan sleeps at noisebridge and refuses to leave when asked by a
> member until like five people surround him for 15 minutes and then he goes
> outside until they leave.
>
> I have been there when Ryan has been there a few times, including last
> night.
>
> One of the times when Ryan was sleeping at the space, I woke him up and
> told him that noisebridge is not an okay place for sleeping and that he
> should go somewhere else to do that.  He said he was reading some book and
> didn't mean to sleep, and I went away.  A few minutes later he was asleep
> again, and it was after midnight, so I went over there with two other
> people and we woke him up and told him that since he was clearly tired, he
> should go somewhere else.  He insisted that he was trying to get work done
> and wasn't tired, but I told him that, as a member, I was asking him to
> leave for the night.
>
> It took a LONG time for the three of us to convince him that he had to
> leave.  He kept insisting that he was just trying to get work done, and
> that his computers (two 1U computers and an old Dell Inspiron) could not be
> safely left unattended at noisebridge and that he had nowhere to take them.
>  I told him he could leave the computers where they were or take them with
> him, but he had to go.  He didn't want to and tried to wear us out.  We
> stayed with him for a long time until he finally left.
>
> I have witnessed him do the same thing to mitch the other night.  He just
> repeats that he's not sleeping and that he can't leave his computers and he
> doesn't have anywhere to take them.  It's very frustrating because I feel
> strongly that if people are sleeping at noisebridge they have to leave and
> go sleep somewhere else.  When someone basically refuses, it's a serious
> problem.
>
> Mitch made him leave last monday, and it took a really long time.  He was
> told to come to a meeting about it but I can find no record of the last
> meeting and Tom says he never showed up, but Robert Benson says he showed
> up but left before the meeting (which started late).  Neither I nor Mitch
> made it to the meeting last time.
>
> At this point it seems Mitch doesn't want Ryan to come to noisebridge
> anymore.  I feel that this is justified because Ryan sleeps at the space
> (probably a lot more often than I've caught him) and refuses to acknowledge
> that it's a problem.  So I don't want him coming anymore either.
>
> I don't know of any members who want to extend hospitality to him, and I
> know that myself, Mitch, and Miloh (who had a similar experience making him
> leave after sleeping) all think that he should take his precious computers
> out of the space so he can stop using them as an excuse to come to
> noisebridge.
>
> his computers are currently piled up in the server room with a note on
> them.
>
> -jake
>
>
> Mitch wrote:
> Hi Tom, I was just looking at the Next_meeting page on the wiki, and
> couldn't find a place to add an agenda item.  I'd like have an agenda item
> for discussion with Ryan at the meeting.  Could you please add this to the
> agenda? Ryan was here tonight.  He said he was at the meeting last week,
> but left early.  I asked him why he came without discussing matters at the
> meeting first.  He argued in a raised, excited voice.  After some
> non-useful back-and-forth, I lost it.  I told him he had to leave.  After
> much ado, he left.  Leif and others who will be at the meeting were present
> for this unfortunate occurrence. It seems to me that Ryan doesn't belong at
> Noisebridge.  He does do something with servers here, which may be some
> sort of hacking.  He also sleeps here.  And he lies when confronted with
> this.  He's also agro about his sense of entitlement about being at
> Noisebridge.  If others at he meeting think he belongs at Noisebridge, then
> I would find that unfortunate, but this is up to people at the meeting.
>  And, unfortunately, I can't be there tomorrow night. Ryan said he would be
> at the meeting. Best,Mitch.
>
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Ronald Cotoni
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