[Noisebridge-discuss] Asked to leave: Tony Longshanks & Veronica

[Danny O'Brien]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:50:05PM -0700, Carl wrote:
>    Hi Tom,
>    I understand that Tony having been trapped in the closet was a while ago,
>    and despite that he shouldn't have been there, I'm sure he didn't intend
>    to become trapped.  Unless he's been a repeat offender, shouldn't he at
>    least be given a second chance, as he's likely learned his lesson?

So we had a discussion about this at a meeting I attended; there wasn't
a formal consensus that he should be banned, but there was a widely held
eyes-wide amazement that he came back with no apparent attempt at
restitution or regret. 

>    What I would like to know is:  Was it previously consensed on at a meeting
>    that he should be banned from the space?  And if not, is this your main or
>    only real argument for telling him never to come back?  What authority do
>    you have for telling him this, as opposed to simply telling him to leave
>    and come back to a meeting to discuss this, which is the usual procedure?
>     As far as I recall, no one has suggested Tony has ever been a threat to
>    anyone in the space, so I would like to know more about why people are
>    insisting that he be banned.

Tom doesn't have anything apart from the universal do-acratic authority
to ask Tony to leave forever. You can ask people to do anything at
Noisebridge; but if someone asks to leave, they can still come back to
the meeting. My guess is that Tom will be criticised for overreaching,
and then we will move on to a wider WTF with Tony.

Personally, I feel Tony *should* leave permanently, or at least a long
while. There's basically a bunch of things that count to me as an
existential threat against Noisebridge, and one of them is messing with
the rest of the building in which we reside. Our landlord is great, but
not infinitely patient. 

The history of asking people to leave Noisebridge is when people do
something that prompts widespread disapproval and then exhibit a
demonstrable inability to self-correct. I've now been witness to several
situations where Tony has done something mildly problematic, been
criticised, and responded with nuclear-force denial. I think he *does*
correct, in the sense that he doesn't do the same thing again, but when
you connect that behaviour with something that was a definite no-no
*and* could have ended much much worse, My patience is
pretty much at end.

d.

>    I am just trying to find out more about this issue.
>    Thanks
>    -Carl
>    (I cannot currently post to the discuss list. Feel free to CC your reply
>    to the list if you wish to do so.)
>    On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:00 AM,
>    noisebridge-discuss-request at lists.noisebridge.net wrote:
> 
>      From: Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>
>      Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Asked to leave: Tony Longshanks &
>      Veronica
>      Date: June 28, 2013 10:57:44 PM PDT
>      To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> 
>      This evening, I asked two people to leave Noisebridge.
> 
>      I asked Tony Longshanks LeTigre to leave and never come back. I did so
>      because of the events leading up to him being trapped in the closet
>      behind the elevator and breaking out through the drywall. During our
>      discussion he affirmatively stated that he was in that space because
>      he was storing items there. I told him that this was unacceptable.
> 
>      I asked Veronica to and not to return unless she wanted to discuss our
>      disagreement at a meeting. Our disagreement centered around leaving
>      food at Noisebridge, and one's obligations with respect to ensuring
>      that everything is cleared up afterwards. Veronica took issue with my
>      tone.
> 
>      I also had a discussion with Jim, who had brought the food which
>      prompted my conversation with Veronica. He asserted that he always
>      ensured that food he brings is cleared up. His response to my request
>      to clean up was combative, but he left immediately.

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