[Noisebridge-discuss] Homeless in NB

[Praveen Sinha]

Guys, let's end the shark tank please... Have been talking with Danny off
list.  I don't agree with his use of the n word either in this context, but
he is a smart bonafide hacker who has been going through a legitimately
tough time.   Questions and dialogue will help more than snark.


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> I don't believe they kicked you out of a coffee shop because they saw your
> bicycles had lots of stuff on them.
>
> If you don't bathe and clean your clothes as often as the majority of
> people in a culture, or subculture, you will smell more strongly than them.
>  If it bothers them they don't have to let you hang out in their store.  If
> you are homeless and choose to bathe more, i can't think of a city with
> more homeless services than SF so take some responsibility for yourself.
>
> you are choosing to live this way.  thats fine, i'm not spitting on you,
> you're spitting on the right of other people not to want to hang out with
> you.  You still haven't explained how it's not a choice you're making to be
> homeless.  Even in SF, it's possible to get a job and a room of your own
> with running water to bathe in, and clean your clothes if you care.
>
> for you to compare your life choices to the oppression felt by black
> americans in even the past 50 years is ridiculous, and just saying that is
> going to get you the opposite of sympathy from this crowd.
>
> -jake
>
>
> On Sat, 6 Jul 2013, Danny Dismal wrote:
>
>  Umm they can see out the window at our bikes and gear which is a little
>> more than your
>> average bike tourist. It wasn't even in the coffee shop. All we had was
>> our laptops and the
>> coffee we ordered no more or less than most of the other customers. And
>> where do you get off
>> saying we choose to live this way. You think it's okay to spit on and
>> look down at a class
>> of people by justifying why they are there as if you knew. Just like the
>> racist know that
>> all those black men are bad right?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>       Really?  thrown out of a coffee shop just because you're homeless?
>>
>>       HOW DID THEY KNOW?  they must have read your mind.
>>
>>       If they could tell you're homeless maybe it's because something
>> about you was
>>       disrupting the place from doing what it was meant to do.  For
>> example, if people
>>       are in a place to enjoy food and coffee and someone smells really
>> bad, that
>>       person might be asked to leave rather than everyone else stop
>> enjoying their
>>       meals and being disgusted.
>>
>>       If a cafe was trying to provide space for people to socialize and
>> work on their
>>       laptops or whatever, and someone has all their property spread out
>> all around
>>       them and is taking up too much space, they might be asked to leave.
>>  Especially
>>       if they're not participating in buying anything (which is how they
>> pay the rent
>>       on the place).
>>
>>       For you to compare your "suffering" to that of african americans of
>> the 19th
>>       century is obscene.  You need to quit whining and get some
>> perspective.  I am
>>       assuming you are a healthy young person who could easily get a job
>> and afford an
>>       apartment.  You could also find a home by squatting, which takes a
>> bit of WORK
>>       if you want it to last a while.
>>
>>       If you choose (and it is a choice) not to do these things, own up
>> to the
>>       consequences and accept that other people the right to not support
>> you if they
>>       don't want to.
>>
>>       And if you want to use the N-word that way you can get the FUCK off
>> our mailing
>>       list and go do it somewhere else.
>>
>>       -jake
>>
>>       Danny Dismal wrote:
>>
>>       I was just thinking to myself after getting thrown out of a coffee
>> shop for no
>>       other reason than I'm homeless...
>>       I thought just what that meant and how it reflected on our history
>> in this
>>       nation and realized one thing and I do mean it is really happening.
>>       The homeless are the new Niggers of the 21st Century. We are
>> scorned and
>>       pushed out. People walk across the street to avoid us and we are
>> constantly
>>       being asked to move, wake up and getting robbed, beaten and in some
>> cases
>>       killed where no one bothers to find out why.
>>       Now's the time to look at your feelings on this and ask yourself
>> "how do
>>       the homeless make you feel"?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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