[Noisebridge-discuss] When were bunk-beds installed?

Mon Jul 8 21:36:24 UTC 2013

Ahh .. I've worked with the Neurosky chips.  They really are not a
substitute for a proper EEG, and if you are going to do any serious
sleep studies, I -highly- recommend investing in a used portable EEG
machine.  They are often available from universities, surplus shops,
and eBay.

The Neurosky chip is only "okay", and mostly is reading surface
electric currents directly related to muscle tension/movement, and it
does not provide a good indication of underlying brain activity.

-M

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM, bfb <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> We are currently using an RF Neurosky Mindwave that runs on the ThinkGear
> Chipset.
>
> I call it black box because the device uses proprietary algorithms to give
> an "e-sense meditation" and "e-sense attention" metric once per second. It
> also spits out a "power bin" measure for 7 bins between 0-40hz once per
> second. The frequency domain analysis is also hidden in the chip.
>
> On the bright side, we see something like 512 raw data measures per second
> (as 2 byte integers between 0-65535). As well as a signal quality metric
> once per second and a blink event can also be recorded in the payload.
>
> Essentially, we are always looking for new devices to prototype. Aspiring to
> make art, science and social networks based on biodata similarity matching.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> On 07/08/2013 11:21 AM, Martin Bogomolni wrote:
>>
>> Black-Box EEG device?   I.E. "it's a box, with wires"
>>
>> I'd like to know a little more about the setup.  What kind of board
>> are you using to do the EEG, and what kind of data can it collect?
>>
>> -M
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM, bfb<bfb at riseup.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The Dream Team meets every Wednesday at Nosiebridge. We just finished
>>> writing an open source mini-state-machine to read data off our black-box
>>> eeg
>>> monitoring device. Sleep studies are slated to begin soon. Certainly we
>>> can
>>> lay out a few bed rolls if need be.
>>>
>>> If the hacker stacker napper pods survive, I will be better maintaining
>>> them
>>> moving forward. IE Cleaning the pads once-per-week, and casting off
>>> bedding
>>> from the frame.
>>>
>>> -Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/05/2013 06:46 PM, Michael Clift wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys, I do NOT like that NB has become a dump. That is not what I
>>> meant,
>>> and once again a statement is taken out of context in order to weaponize
>>> the
>>> statement. I like the napping bays, I thought it quite progressive when I
>>> "came back" to NB after being gone for 6 months...I was excited by the
>>> prospect of doing dream/neuro research at NB, as I am a lucid dreamer and
>>> one of my freinds is into bio feedback and all that sort of thing,was
>>> going
>>> to bring her equipment to NB for such study, but the Dream Team never
>>> quite
>>> emerged, and YES the Hacker Stacker was misused/co opted by whoever.
>>> I do think NB should be able to adapt to shifting patterns, and your main
>>> problem is essentially territorial in nature, and facist in terms of
>>> problem
>>> solving. (in this particular instance, not to mention the whole invasion
>>> of
>>> the Barbarians thing...."Who ARE you people?" Danny,
>>> incredulously....well
>>> we are the people who have done alot of shit for,to and because of
>>> NB..hacking: it's not just for computers anymore.)
>>> That being said, I always had the time of my life over there, and I got
>>> alot
>>> of work done, made alot of friends and contacts, and harbor no illwill
>>> towards anyone there. The scope of my life overshadows all petty concerns
>>> related to identity politics and basic localism, so I carry on, and I do
>>> hope when I come back to NB oneday to go into an opensource,kick ass
>>> place
>>> where all are welcome,but not all should stay, and that things be handled
>>> a
>>> little bit more tactfully and reasonable when it has been determined by
>>> more
>>> than one or two Chicken Littles that somebody is not welcome, or banished
>>> for life for being nothing but themselves and standing up for their
>>> friends...
>>> P.MIKE
>>> end of transmission
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Naomi Most<pnaomi at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for recapitulating the last year of NB discuss.  I'm sure it
>>>> was useful for others who are new or haven't been to NB in a while.
>>>>
>>>> Come to the Reboot meetings.  Tada, you are nominated.
>>>>
>>>> --Naomi
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Eric W. Rasmussen<ewr at majortek.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand the concept but this is absolutely absurd. It's like
>>>>> adding
>>>>> fuel to a fire with the hope that the house will burn faster. The
>>>>> "pods"
>>>>> completely dominate the space once reserved for 3D printing and Laser
>>>>> cutting and now users of the space are required to monitor the sleeping
>>>>> habits of others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whenever there is a problem, there are three fundamental ways of
>>>>> solving
>>>>> it:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Ignore it and hope it goes away
>>>>> 2. Fix the problem by using logic and physical effort
>>>>> 3. Throw money at it
>>>>>
>>>>> However, with every solution arises new problems. What one needs to ask
>>>>> is,
>>>>> "Is the new problem greater or less than the previous problem"? If
>>>>> less,
>>>>> then it's probably a good solution. Let's use the overall messiness of
>>>>> the
>>>>> space as an example. We can:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Ignore it and hope it cleans itself
>>>>> 2. Clean it
>>>>> 3. Hire someone to clean it
>>>>>
>>>>> #1 isn't going to happen, obviously. #2 requires that people gather for
>>>>> a
>>>>> concerted effort. #3 would work but NB is continually living
>>>>> hand-to-mouth.
>>>>> #2 seems like the best solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know the answer to homelessness but I am fairly certain that NB
>>>>> is
>>>>> not the place for a solution. When was the last time you saw a house in
>>>>> the
>>>>> middle of an office complex?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am being very honest when I state that I was embarrassed. This topic
>>>>> needs
>>>>> to be discussed again. If not the outcome will be:
>>>>>
>>>>> #1. People will ignore NB and it will go away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/04/2013 05:49 PM, Dana wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe this is as a topic for a future Rebase meeting? There might be
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> benefit to discussing sleeping and uses of the space very late night /
>>>>>> early morning (in addition to ongoing conversations about access and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> kitchen).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the harm reduction thinking behind the hacker stackers, but I'm
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> sure they're working as intended. I think the space may have more
>>>>>> sleepers
>>>>>> now, a culture of "don't sleep at noisebridge" has become a bit more
>>>>>> ambiguous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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