[Noisebridge-discuss] Kitchen Overhaul

[Dan Cote]

This kitchen cannot be restored to healthy status without demolition of the
island. Whether and how that island is restored is according do the
do-ocratic ways of Noisebridge, up to the people who do the building. I
know you did much to keep the kitchen afloat cleaningwise, and that will
factor into my personal commitments to build kitchen infrastructure. The
new kitchen will be designed to be easier to clean and harder to make
dirty.

As I said to another concerned food hacker: "We need to have
strong commitments from the people who want to have a big kitchen, to clean
up after the general population on a regular basis. It's unfair to demand
infrastructure that creates a burden from a community and to expect people
who do not benefit from that infrastructure to absorb that burden. This is
why people are hating on food hackers."

On a related note, expect any infrastructure I contribute towards to be on
the theme of *sci-fi kitchen 4004+ of the **future*. It will not look like
any kitchen existing in the world at this time, unless you are watching a
sci-fi movie. It will contain novel technologies that will be evaluated
for their utility. This reply is not directed towards you but towards all
with similar concerns and questions. It is intended to familiarize people
with the following ideas from hackerspace culture:


   - If you want something, build it.
   - Consider the impact to your fellow hackers.




On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, cynthia lee
<cynthia.jeanne.lee at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have attended several rebase meetings. There were several people who
> spoke up about the desirability of keeping an island and we (the ones
> maintaining the need for an island) expected that the final plan would
> contain an island made of materials that the group approved after the end
> of that discussion at that rebase meeting. True, at the last meeting i was
> the only one asking that the island be maintained but not everyone could
> make all the meetings.
> The persons most interested in tearing down the current kitchen insisted
> that consensus was not needed for such a change: it is a do-ocracy! I
> politely and consistently disagreed with this attitude. There is a need for
> dedicated counterspace.
>
> The insect problem is a function of multiple issues. An effort to purchase
> a large bag of food grade diatomaceous earth was made by Brandon (the same
> one that there is a current effort to kick out). He waited timely for the
> Fed Ex delivery only to discover that someone kept turning off the door
> buzzer manually. For various reasons, he did not have an ID that Fed Ex
> would accept so he could pick it up in person.This is the least toxic (it
> is food grade....you can eat the damned stuff) product that can be used for
> crawling insects but needs to be used generously and frequently. Insects
> have not, so far, evolved to render the DE pointless unlike chemical
> products (which are harmful to humans). Any kitchen design can be over run
> by insects without a product like DE and especially while persons using the
> kitchen refuse to even minimally clean up.  Brandon's generosity in
> purchasing this item was never acknowledged.  It would be conspiracy theory
> to suggest someone intentionally, instead of thoughtlessly, obstructed
> delivery access to the space since FedEx deliveries happen.
>
> I believe that the reason people do not want a kitchen is to discourage
> those who frequent the space and cook from time to time. True, it is not
> excellent to live in the space however, the value of regular volunteers who
> keep an eye out for miscreants and thefts should not be discounted, even if
> they keep extended hours and occasionally nap. I hope people keep in mind
> that even Tesla was homeless and dug ditches for income after being shafted
> by the people who contracted for him to come to America. Lots of people
> with experience and advanced degrees are out of work currently. Why make
> the space uncomfortable for them to come and hang out and network?
>
> --
> Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
> http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
>
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