[Noisebridge-discuss] Kitchen Overhaul

[Dan Cote]

Yes, we are careful with do-ocracy and consensus. The consensus record on
this matter is foggy. Let me help clear it up lest we be accused of
unjustly skipping consensus.
A while ago, many people were talking about closing the space for a few
weeks for a deep cleaning and reorganization. Danny spoke of getting
consensus for it. Some people were concerned at first, and others were
excited. The big concern of many people was the space closing. Ever. Even
for a little bit. This idea continued to circulate for a while. I invoked
the c-word when a mailing list thread threatened to limit rebuilding access
to members. (possibly in jest?)

The whole affair was labeled rebase and was discussed at length during many
meetings. Many people talked about proposing a consensus item for rebase. I
don't see anything in the current consensus items or history about rebase.
A separate meeting was requested so that the discussions would not dominate
the regular meetings. No one seemed to be pushing for a consensus item. I
think that people realized the difficulty of getting consensus on closing.
Not closing seems to have appeased any concerns about rebase.

I am pretty sure that rebase activity is in the realm of do-ocracy.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:40 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> It's a do-ocracy until someone brings
> "it" up for consensus, then it becomes
> a matter for consensus.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 14:27 -0700, cynthia lee wrote:
> > I have attended several rebase meetings. There were several people who
> > spoke up about the desirability of keeping an island and we (the ones
> > maintaining the need for an island) expected that the final plan would
> > contain an island made of materials that the group approved after the
> > end of that discussion at that rebase meeting. True, at the last
> > meeting i was the only one asking that the island be maintained but
> > not everyone could make all the meetings.
> >
> > The persons most interested in tearing down the current kitchen
> > insisted that consensus was not needed for such a change: it is a
> > do-ocracy! I politely and consistently disagreed with this attitude.
> > There is a need for dedicated counterspace.
> >
> >
> > The insect problem is a function of multiple issues. An effort to
> > purchase a large bag of food grade diatomaceous earth was made by
> > Brandon (the same one that there is a current effort to kick out). He
> > waited timely for the Fed Ex delivery only to discover that someone
> > kept turning off the door buzzer manually. For various reasons, he did
> > not have an ID that Fed Ex would accept so he could pick it up in
> > person.This is the least toxic (it is food grade....you can eat the
> > damned stuff) product that can be used for crawling insects but needs
> > to be used generously and frequently. Insects have not, so far,
> > evolved to render the DE pointless unlike chemical products (which are
> > harmful to humans). Any kitchen design can be over run by insects
> > without a product like DE and especially while persons using the
> > kitchen refuse to even minimally clean up.  Brandon's generosity in
> > purchasing this item was never acknowledged.  It would be conspiracy
> > theory to suggest someone intentionally, instead of thoughtlessly,
> > obstructed delivery access to the space since FedEx deliveries happen.
> >
> > I believe that the reason people do not want a kitchen is to
> > discourage those who frequent the space and cook from time to time.
> > True, it is not excellent to live in the space however, the value of
> > regular volunteers who keep an eye out for miscreants and thefts
> > should not be discounted, even if they keep extended hours and
> > occasionally nap. I hope people keep in mind that even Tesla was
> > homeless and dug ditches for income after being shafted by the people
> > who contracted for him to come to America. Lots of people with
> > experience and advanced degrees are out of work currently. Why make
> > the space uncomfortable for them to come and hang out and network?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD
> > http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com
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