[Noisebridge-discuss] happy feminist film night: Hayao Miyazaki?

[Lupita Berries]

Yea, I have every right to tell them that. Liberation movements aren't
about making other people feel warm and fuzzy inside, they are about actual
goals. When feminists have to take energy to make sure men feel comfortable
within the movement, it takes energy away from real needs. Feminist is
about the needs of WOMEN, not men. Women are already trained very well by
society to put the needs of men first, just let us have this one movement
that is about US.

And I'm sorry to break the actual realities to you, but there are simply
things that you are unable to fully understand due to the way you were
raised and born. This applies to everyone. An able-bodied will never fully
understand the experiences of those with disabilities. A white person will
never fully understand the experiences of people of color. A life-long rich
person will never understand the experiences and struggle of those born and
living in poverty. A man will never fully understand the experience of
women. That's life. You can spend all the time you want reading about the
experiences of others (and you should, because it'll make you a better and
smarter person), but you will NEVER understand the experiences to the level
of those who actually have to live through it. You can't logic and reason
your way into things that you will never fully understand.

Men have only a supportive role in the feminist movement, at most. They
have no place telling women anything. Their only supportive action is to
control the abuses of other men. All men who want to help feminists, can do
it by calling out and stopping other men, NOT "telling" women how to be
feminists.

Not everything is about you, grow up. You'll be better for it.


On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:

> No one has a right to be accepted within a movement, but you don't have
> the right to tell them that they're incapable of identifying with any given
> cause or movement due to the way they were born.
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Lupita Berries <garyberries at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Feminism IS NOT about equality, it is about LIBERATION. Equality would
> mean that feminists want to adopt the same abuse of power as males have
> within the patriarchy. I'd like to think no feminist wants women to rape
> and murder as much as men. Plus, I'm highly suspicious of any man that
> tells an actual woman what feminism is about. This is exactly why men
> should have no power within the liberation of women, they quickly fall into
> negative social traits such as telling women what to do and taking over
> their movements.
>
> No one in their right mind would tell black people that they have to
> include and give power to whites within the black liberation movement. So
> why do you think it is okay to do that to women? Women are constantly told
> they have to include men, and that hasn't helped us one bit. Men always
> grab for the attention and try to "teach" us - as if they could truly
> understand our experience.
>
> Yea, a lot of women have done shitty stuff to other women. There is a
> whole theory explaining why this happens, I can recommend some feminist
> literature to you (I don't have time to explain it all in an email). But
> just because women do shitty things to other women doesn't mean women are
> the oppressor class.
>
> Also, I'd greatly appreciate if you referred to us as WOMEN, and not
> females. We are human beings, not animals.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:54 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're wrong. A lot of oppression of females has been perpetrated by
>> females. A feminist is anyone who desires equality for females.
>>
>> If troll, then well played.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Lupita Berries <garyberries at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would really prefer if you don't use the term feminist to describe men.
>> Feminism is a movement for the liberation of women, for women, and by
>> women. Men cannot be feminists, and it shouldn't be encourage that the
>> oppressor class hijack the movement of an oppressed class.
>>
>> Men at most can be feminist allies, but not feminists.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://bitchmagazine.org/post/feminism-miyazaki-and-spirited-away-movie-princess-mononoke
>>>
>>> Hi, are there any other feminists, male or female who would like to have
>>> a happy feminist style film night featuring the works of Hayao Miyazaki?
>>>
>>> I get very disturbed when I see the current cinema out there, I'd like
>>> to focus on stuff that isn't a total downer.
>>>
>>> How do you go about doing the screening? Maybe the vegan hackers and the
>>> cosplay people can theme it so that there is hayao miyazaki sushi and bento
>>> foods as well .
>>>
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