[Noisebridge-discuss] happy feminist film night: Hayao Miyazaki?

Sun Jul 28 03:10:49 UTC 2013

The only definition I challenged was whether a man could consider themselves feminist. There's anything but consensus on whether being a feminist requires a specific configuration of organs, but I believe that a man can want the same things, and that feminism is an idea rather than an accident of genetics. I'm not even claiming that I'm a feminist, though I often identify with their thinking. What Lupita might be on guard against is a sick form of sexism where men purport to be feminists but actually want to gain female approval through white-knighting the movement, attempting to make women dependent on their protection.

But, to be entirely honest...I felt Lupita's phrasing was not what someone would use to reprimand someone and draw them to their point of view, but was constructed purely to ignite controversy. Therefore I thought I was feeding a few breadcrumbs to an obvious troll, which might change your opinion of how reasonable I actually am.

On Jul 27, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh gee, this is not about movies at all. ...
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> Well, I was going to respond before there was more said, but macegr, it's probably good to note that if you're a man telling a woman/transgender/genderqueer person that they are wrong about what feminism is and isn't, then you should take a step back and think about the situation before really diving in further. :/ I don't want this to go off into crazy angry places because I have seen you be pretty reasonable on this list before & don't think you are really ill-intent.
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> tl;dr Different women actually have different opinions on the topic, but generally if you are demanding to be able to use the label and go as far as telling other women that they're wrong about their own movement and start to re-define what their movement is about [e.x. we say it's about women's liberation; you may want to say it's about something else], you've demonstrated a good reason why you shouldn't be able to.
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> ON ANOTHER NOTE, MOVIES! I LOVE ALL OF THOSE MOVIES. MANY OF THOSE MOVIES ARE MY FAVORITE. Alien is awesome, even though it gives me nightmares like crazy, so that should probably be played BEFORE the anime. :D
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> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
> No one has a right to be accepted within a movement, but you don't have the right to tell them that they're incapable of identifying with any given cause or movement due to the way they were born.
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> On Jul 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Lupita Berries <garyberries at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Feminism IS NOT about equality, it is about LIBERATION. Equality would mean that feminists want to adopt the same abuse of power as males have within the patriarchy. I'd like to think no feminist wants women to rape and murder as much as men. Plus, I'm highly suspicious of any man that tells an actual woman what feminism is about. This is exactly why men should have no power within the liberation of women, they quickly fall into negative social traits such as telling women what to do and taking over their movements.
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>> No one in their right mind would tell black people that they have to include and give power to whites within the black liberation movement. So why do you think it is okay to do that to women? Women are constantly told they have to include men, and that hasn't helped us one bit. Men always grab for the attention and try to "teach" us - as if they could truly understand our experience.
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>> Yea, a lot of women have done shitty stuff to other women. There is a whole theory explaining why this happens, I can recommend some feminist literature to you (I don't have time to explain it all in an email). But just because women do shitty things to other women doesn't mean women are the oppressor class.  
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>> Also, I'd greatly appreciate if you referred to us as WOMEN, and not females. We are human beings, not animals.  
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>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:54 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You're wrong. A lot of oppression of females has been perpetrated by females. A feminist is anyone who desires equality for females.
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>> If troll, then well played.
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>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Lupita Berries <garyberries at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I would really prefer if you don't use the term feminist to describe men. Feminism is a movement for the liberation of women, for women, and by women. Men cannot be feminists, and it shouldn't be encourage that the oppressor class hijack the movement of an oppressed class. 
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>>> Men at most can be feminist allies, but not feminists. 
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>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Romy Ilano <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>> http://bitchmagazine.org/post/feminism-miyazaki-and-spirited-away-movie-princess-mononoke
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>>> Hi, are there any other feminists, male or female who would like to have a happy feminist style film night featuring the works of Hayao Miyazaki? 
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>>> I get very disturbed when I see the current cinema out there, I'd like to focus on stuff that isn't a total downer.
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>>> How do you go about doing the screening? Maybe the vegan hackers and the cosplay people can theme it so that there is hayao miyazaki sushi and bento foods as well .
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