[Noisebridge-discuss] happy feminist film night: Hayao Miyazaki?

[Nicholas LoCicero]

I think i understand what she is saying.

First of all, not anyone can be rastafarian. You can be supportive, but its
just not right for a white man, someone who has never been oppressed the
way black people have, to identify that way because he wants to establish a
sense of pride.

I think her argument lacks a sense humor and takes the issue too seriously
because of pain she has not yet fully dealt with yet.

So, I can rephrase it for her.

Please dont use feminist to refer to men as you would not refer to yourself
as a child dying of aids just because you somehow, whether through action
or just wishful thinking, want kids dying of aids to stop suffering.
On Jul 27, 2013 8:57 PM, "macegr" <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure where I "brushed off" anything, OR told her that she was doing
> feminism wrong. She gets to do feminism however she pleases. I only jumped
> in when she responded to Romy's friendly invitation by lumping all men
> together into an "oppressor class" which is hard to process as anything but
> deliberately inflammatory logical fallacy.
>
> How many straight people who support gay rights should be told to shove
> off?
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:37 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>
> Oh it's not invalid, just HIGHLY disrespect to brush off the concerns of
> someone of an oppressed group trying to defend their own group. i mean hey,
> why would a woman be touchy about some guy telling her she isn't doing
> feminism right tho, right?
>
> -hep
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:22 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...followed up by the "labeling a type of argument means the argument is
>> invalid" argument. :)
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:14 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>
>> wow, the tone argument to complete this episode of noisebridge privilege
>> bingo.
>>
>> -hep
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The only definition I challenged was whether a man could consider
>>> themselves feminist. There's anything but consensus on whether being a
>>> feminist requires a specific configuration of organs, but I believe that a
>>> man can want the same things, and that feminism is an idea rather than an
>>> accident of genetics. I'm not even claiming that I'm a feminist, though I
>>> often identify with their thinking. What Lupita might be on guard against
>>> is a sick form of sexism where men purport to be feminists but actually
>>> want to gain female approval through white-knighting the movement,
>>> attempting to make women dependent on their protection.
>>>
>>> But, to be entirely honest...I felt Lupita's phrasing was not what
>>> someone would use to reprimand someone and draw them to their point of
>>> view, but was constructed purely to ignite controversy. Therefore I thought
>>> I was feeding a few breadcrumbs to an obvious troll, which might change
>>> your opinion of how reasonable I actually am.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> hep
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>>
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