[Noisebridge-discuss] happy feminist film night: Hayao Miyazaki?

Nicholas LoCicero nick.locicero at gmail.com
Sun Jul 28 04:22:05 UTC 2013


I think third wave feminism does include men, but that was just what my
girlfriend told me. She may not know what she's talking about.
<-------SARCASM
On Jul 27, 2013 9:15 PM, "Lupita Berries" <garyberries at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm actually really interested to know what type of feminist theory you
> subscribe to. Although there are lots of variations in feminist theory, all
> of them have the core believe that the patriarchy is the oppressor. That
> means men as a class. Are women now not allowed to name their oppressor?
> How does this help feminism at all? If anything, this would purpose a huge
> setback.
>
> Indians were able to say the British were killing and stealing from them.
> Blacks were able to say whites were enslaving and lynching them. Are women
> not allowed to say that men as a class are the ones that are killing,
> raping, and abusing women? You seem to want to neuter feminism to be more
> male friendly, instead of actually attacking the destructive culture and
> system in place that is hurting WOMEN. You are proving my own argument as
> to why men cannot be feminists. Your behavior isn't helping you.
>
> Also, classic example of calling a woman's arguments "illogical". I've
> taught logic as a college level, and my job regularly requires my logic
> skills to be sharp. I doubt I'm the one having problems here.
>
> And your statement about straight people supporting gay rights... That is
> on so many levels offensive and... I don't really know how to begin
> explaining the many ways that is wrong.
>
> Now I am starting to wonder if you are just a lone sheep of ignorance or
> if you are expressing the misguided thoughts of many other people within
> noisebridge. I really hope you are just alone in this backwards thinking.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure where I "brushed off" anything, OR told her that she was doing
>> feminism wrong. She gets to do feminism however she pleases. I only jumped
>> in when she responded to Romy's friendly invitation by lumping all men
>> together into an "oppressor class" which is hard to process as anything but
>> deliberately inflammatory logical fallacy.
>>
>> How many straight people who support gay rights should be told to shove
>> off?
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:37 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>
>> Oh it's not invalid, just HIGHLY disrespect to brush off the concerns of
>> someone of an oppressed group trying to defend their own group. i mean hey,
>> why would a woman be touchy about some guy telling her she isn't doing
>> feminism right tho, right?
>>
>> -hep
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:22 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...followed up by the "labeling a type of argument means the argument is
>>> invalid" argument. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:14 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> wow, the tone argument to complete this episode of noisebridge privilege
>>> bingo.
>>>
>>> -hep
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:10 PM, macegr <garrettmace at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only definition I challenged was whether a man could consider
>>>> themselves feminist. There's anything but consensus on whether being a
>>>> feminist requires a specific configuration of organs, but I believe that a
>>>> man can want the same things, and that feminism is an idea rather than an
>>>> accident of genetics. I'm not even claiming that I'm a feminist, though I
>>>> often identify with their thinking. What Lupita might be on guard against
>>>> is a sick form of sexism where men purport to be feminists but actually
>>>> want to gain female approval through white-knighting the movement,
>>>> attempting to make women dependent on their protection.
>>>>
>>>> But, to be entirely honest...I felt Lupita's phrasing was not what
>>>> someone would use to reprimand someone and draw them to their point of
>>>> view, but was constructed purely to ignite controversy. Therefore I thought
>>>> I was feeding a few breadcrumbs to an obvious troll, which might change
>>>> your opinion of how reasonable I actually am.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> hep
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>>>
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>>
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>> hep
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