[Noisebridge-discuss] happy feminist film night: Hayao Miyazaki?

[hep]

This guy has derailed a conversation, thrown down an oppressed-class
members words about their own movement, argued that one definition of
feminism has more merit than others, used the tone argument to disregard an
oppressed-class members feelings and reactions about defending their own
movement, and is denying the core foundations of that oppressed class
movement because he is personally offended that he may be lumped into it.
guess what buddy, you are. all men are. because you benefit from the system
as is, even if you personally do not like it or agree with it. actual male
feminist allies understand this. if you don't and if you want to argue
about it, you aren't doing feminism allyship correctly fyi.

there is no "badge of honor" where a man isn't part of the patriarchy. much
like one can't use having black friends or peers to nullify one's benefits
of white supremacy in the united states if one has white passing privilege.
understanding this and accepting this is the first step towards helping to
dismantle this system. the patriarchy isn't some kind of sentient thing
that only rewards those dick men who want to support it. it benefits all
men in silent ways because it is a word to describe the kind of society we
live in, and the preferred class that it rewards above others. it's in a
man never having to hear and internalize "why don't you get raped!" if he
loses a video game. it's in never being worried about being alone on a
street at night that as a man you might be the target of rape. it's in not
having to be uncomfortably aware and trying to silently read the intentions
of every man you are ever alone with for any reason. it's in not being told
to watch what you are wearing or where you are going to socialize at night.
it's in not wondering if you were passed over for a promotion because you
are female. it's in knowing that you are probably being paid commensurate
with your peers, not earning cents to the dollar for the employees of the
opposite sex in your company. it's in not wondering whether you should
change your name to a more masculine sounding name because you aren't
getting callbacks in a male dominated field. etc, etc, etc.

and this is why a LOT of feminists believe that the word "feminist" only
applies to females. at most, men can be feminist allies. which, you know,
lupita said in her very first email on this subject. but you know, the
words of a girl about their own movement are SO HARD to read, which I am
sure is the reason that guy missed it. And since he brought up gay allies,
that is EXACTLY it isn't it? You don't call yourself LGBTQ if you are just
an ally right? You call yourself a gay ally, or gay-rights ally, or LGBTQ
ally. Why does he have such a strong reaction to labeling himself an ally
for another movement he can truly never be a part of? Why does he react
with such typical shaming and argument nullifying tactics to someone who is
pointing out that he does not belong in that space? The real questions here
are why does he feel compelled to speak over someone speaking about their
movement, and infer that they are both doing it wrong and that he has more
of a right to claim that space and speak on that topic?

-hep

the below post is re-quoted because apparently he has issues with reading
comprehension:



Lupita Berries garyberries at gmail.com
via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=1311182>
 gruntle.org
5:49 PM (16 hours ago)
to Romy, noisebridge-di.

> I would really prefer if you don't use the term feminist to describe men.
Feminism is a movement for the liberation of women,
> for women, and by women. Men cannot be feminists, and it shouldn't be
encourage that the oppressor class hijack the
> movement of an oppressed class.


> Men at most can be feminist allies, but not feminists.



On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Curtis Gagliardi <
gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do people actually think that everyone they disagree with is trolling
> them?  Do you think macegr is pretending to have a different definition of
> feminism than Lupita or pretending to be sensitive about being a member of
> the oppressing class just to annoy you guys?
>
>
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