[Noisebridge-discuss] It has come to my attention that...

Cameron Hackett camhkt at gmail.com
Mon Jun 17 20:34:55 UTC 2013

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On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:

> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side; it
> is clear to me now what this is.
> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
> Lillian asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid
> down on the table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks,
> I readied the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper
> thigh. She stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I
> stopped, moved away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room.
> There was never a "what the fuck are you doing?".
> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out of
> my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff doesn't
> have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices; that
> and the killing South Americans bit.
> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think Dante
> was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is unquestionably
> her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email invitation to
> a 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as feminine and
> started this whole process about three weeks after Lillian left; it was
> then that Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds trite until I add
> that she accepted my friend request after leaving SF for wherever she is
> now.
> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
> regarding this for possible subpoena.
> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
> -dru
> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you pinned
>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any permission at
>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck you
>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it took
>> me so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting someone I
>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or something,
>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until other
>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I decided
>> to report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments
>> about others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find
>> what happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being violated.
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and this
>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>> documented -dru
>>>  On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back to
>>>> Noisebridge.   I do not think this is a good idea.  Basically, I don't want
>>>> to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse and Dru
>>>> have behaved.
>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>> openness.  To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>> have good boundaries.  And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the
>>>> middle of an space without much in the way of rules or safety.  Sexual
>>>> assault and other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each
>>>> other. I want to be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell
>>>> others they are likely relatively safe there.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Liz
>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs <
>>>> lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond
>>>>> creepy. I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>>>>> Liz. I had asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous.
>>>>> I'm coming out of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get
>>>>> rid of someone who poses a high threat to other members of the community
>>>>> (both male and female, trans and cis).
>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not show
>>>>> up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up, because
>>>>> others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't feel
>>>>> safe around Andrew either.
>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
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>>>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>>>> Liz Henry
>>>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
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