[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

LinkReincarnate linkreincarnate at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 15:34:55 UTC 2013

I have not been defending anyone.  I am defending thinking over knee jerk

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Jeffrey Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:

> So far in this discussion it's only been white dudes who have been
> defending this White Power asshole.
> Jeffrey
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you hep and snail, well said. I wonder if you might want to join me
>> in hosting an anti-racism workshop in the space some time in the next few
>> weeks -- in July. Another possibility is having an antiracism meeting
>> happen where some of us can develop and disseminate some of these core
>> values and assert them in the space.
>> - liz
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
>>> I just can't even with any of this. As a someone of minority descent, i
>>> find everything about this entire discussion incredibly offensive,
>>> off-putting, and pretty much the lot of you should be ashamed of yourself.
>>> This is not the way to be inclusive to any minorities for this space.
>>> To whoever brought up weev: i am not sure what your point is considering
>>> I am probably the person on the internet who has argued about his endless
>>> fucking bullshit shock tactic racism the most. YES YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED
>>> HIM OUT. Free speech has to do with CONGRESS making laws barring speech. It
>>> has nothing to do with whether a hackerspace has to be inclusive,
>>> supportive, or otherwise encourage racist or offensive speech. When you try
>>> and mold the free speech argument to validate this bullshit behavior in a
>>> social group, all you are doing is saying you are ok as a social group with
>>> those morals, that they are more important than anyone who might be put off
>>> as the target of them. On this thread you are all trying to qualify
>>> someone's racism. Does no one out there actually understand what free
>>> speech means and what it pertains to? I just do not understand why people
>>> are so intent on validating the truly shitty things people say. You have
>>> the right to say whatever you want. I have the right to tell you to stfu.
>>> As a culture, noisebridge has the right to say it does not tolerate certain
>>> kinds of speech, because it alienates huge portions of the potential
>>> outreached population.
>>> If the guy is a reformed skin and just can't afford to recover tattoos?
>>> REAL victims of this bullshit. I grew up with stories of how my dad who is
>>> mixed race was beat up in town for his heritage. On my mother's side most
>>> of them have been beat up and told to "go back to mexico" (we are from San
>>> Francisco since the 1700s). I was beat up in high school almost every week
>>> for being half latina. The Civil Rights Movement which saw the Black
>>> Panthers gunned down in Oakland, and violence to minorities all over the
>>> Bay Area happened only 50yr ago. Incredibly amounts of oppression and
>>> violence are leveled at minorities in communities throughout the Bay up to
>>> today. The Bay Area is already one of the most racist and racially charged
>>> areas in the country.
>>> Everyone makes dumb mistakes when they are young. Everyone deserves to
>>> be able to change and grow beyond them. But someone who is actively
>>> sporting white power tattoos needs to understand that the choice they made
>>> when young (completely different than someone born with brown skin through
>>> no fault of their own btw for whatever idiot brought up "judging someone on
>>> the way they look!!111" as if it is at ALL a valid comparison. racism =
>>> judging someone on a racist tattoo, you heard it here first.) will still
>>> actively negatively influence people it was directed at REGARDLESS OF
>>> WHETHER THAT IS STILL THEIR INTENT. Sucks that they got a white power
>>> tattoo. There are plenty of options for covering or otherwise concealing
>>> someone one chose to have and now regrets. Know what really sucks? Getting
>>> the shit beaten out of you because you realized too late that the guy with
>>> the racist tattoo was actually a racist.
>>> If someone has an I AM A RAPIST tattoo on their face, I am not going to
>>> sit around and ponder whether it's ironic or whether they are just fucking
>>> stupid. Give me a fucking break. I cannot believe that we are even having
>>> to discuss this and I cannot believe that on another thread there is some
>>> bullshit about a guy trying to defend himself court of law style over
>>> whether he groped a girl or not, as if she isn't a grown fucking adult who
>>> is capable of talking about what happened to her and what she directly
>>> witnessed to her person. Noisebridge: you continue to outdo yourself. hep
>>> out. *mike drop*
>>> -hep
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:20 PM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> I'm assuming he wasn't born with a swastika birthmark. Getting a tattoo
>>>> is behavior.
>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:01 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>>>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> People should be judged by their behavior not anything else.  If this
>>>>> person is seen exhibiting racist behavior then kick him out.
>>>>> Policy at noisebridge that says if you have kids you accept the
>>>>> responsibility of them seeing/hearing about topics beyond your control. I
>>>>> think this does/should apply to adults in the space as well.
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>>> hep
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>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> Liz Henry
>> lhenry at mozilla.com
>> lizhenry at gmail.com
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