[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Red asked to leave.

hep dis at gruntle.org
Tue Jun 18 17:23:17 UTC 2013

i honestly cannot even believe that people are actually saying "oh
minorities, why can't you just be nice to the skinhead, you are part of the
problem". because fyi: this is exactly what you are saying. perhaps you
might want to rethink your position because it is one of incredible
privilege that simultaneously erases the experiences of minorities in this
country and tells them to just get over their on-going oppressions and
struggles. white power nationalism is on the rise in the us right now.
incidents of violence against minorities are also rising, particularly
against latinos because of increased anti-immigration racism. can we stop
with the telling minorities how to think and feel, and telling them they
are the problem, and perhaps one of you white guys who are so concerned
with the feelings of the white power guy could approach white power guy so
a minority doesn't have to be the one to experience fear and discomfort,
and ask wtf is going on with the white power bullshit? also fyi: whenever
you tell a minority to get over their experiences, or that their
experiences and perceptions of such aren't valid you are actually being a
huge racist. we don't need white people or people in privileged positions
to analyze our reactions for us, or qualify whether they are valid. please
don't be this kind of racist.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 18 June 2013 10:09, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:
> > yeah, everything here is certainly about how i stated i have a monopoly
> on
> > suffering, and not just trying to defend myself and other minorities from
> > continuing to feel the suffering that we experience in all other walks of
> > life at noisebridge, while a bunch of white guys stand around and
> justify it
> > and tell us to get over it. and people wonder why minorities need
> minority
> > only safe spaces to feel safe in, it's because of situations exactly like
> > this. and by all means "exercise your brain" while perpetuating the same
> > tired white racism excusing that the rest of the country has been
> practicing
> > for centuries. because white guys have never said to "give the white
> power
> > guy a chance, he isn't so bad (to us white guys)" before. really thinking
> > outside the box here, son.
> Gah,
> Plenty of kids growing up have tattoos. They got them as part of local
> gang initiation. Some of them went on to ride motorcycles. You know,
> gangs that traditionally espouse "white pride" and such. Except, hey,
> if you grow up in certain parts of Australia (and the US), there's
> plenty of "<non-white> pride" going on. And if you're the white guy
> living in that area, sucks to be you. You may even feel pressure to
> join a gang of your own so you don't get beaten on alone. Does this
> make you a bad person? How can you get the hell out of that cycle?
> I understand if seeing skinheads triggers you. I have my own similar
> reactions to certain groups and types of people. But if you push those
> people away, you're contributing to the problem, not making it easier.
> There's a whole bunch of research into groupthink and group
> polarisation, which starts by _pushing away people who think
> differently to you_ and _pushing away people who you see as a threat /
> out-group_. Those people form groups of like-minded, polarised
> people.. and their polarised beliefs get even more polarised.
> Guess what? By pushing people away, you may be contributing to the problem.
> 2c,
> -adrian

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