[Noisebridge-discuss] asked james to leave

[Liz Henry]

Hi there Michael Clift aka the Occupirate,

Sorry, I won't communicate off-list with you and don't really have interest
in any further communication.  Your email pretty much speaks itself. I
don't think I need to answer it further.

Liz



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Michael Clift <occupirate at gmail.com>wrote:

> Clarification: I said, in half jest: This is a hacker space, as occupiers,
> we hack space.
> This is neither endorsement or condemnation of what people do here. Once
> again, quite simply, if it is not interfering with my work I do not have a
> problem with it. WHEN someone begins to affect me negatively I take DIRECT
> ACTION, without consent or support of whomever may happen to lie at hand.
> Much of this smacks of very unexcellent PC douchebaggery so in vogue.
> Essentially a gossip-circle and personality tribunal are not what I am here
> for. I CAN and WILL understand the concerns of the offended, but know that
> we all have very subjective viewpoints, and I personally have NOT witnessed
> anything but exemplary behavior from both James and Dru both inside and
> outside of NB.
> NB is for the use of All, with "belonging" to ANY. It MUST remain flexible
> and adaptive. It must remain SAFE, people must feel SAFE...yes, I get
> this...but many people MUST own their own parts of what is happening....
> perhaps I am just an old dinosaur from the Jimmy Cagney?Cary Grant/Bobby
> Mitchum days....but grow up and get back to work...IGNORE the fools...let
> THEM be asses...we should keep an eye out for the space, but please you
> guys, lets refrain from being ninnys.......there is some unholy "Stalinist
> shite floating aabout, completely unneccessarily....handle your shit, stop
> mobbing on people, and reflect on the fact that I AM OPPRESSED BY YOUR
> MANUFACTURED SENSITIVITY.
> (and in the words of John Lennon, "I'm not the only one")
> you are all playing into the divisive trap of Establishment mimicry.
> PEACE LOVE and BRUSSELL SPROUTS
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for asking him to leave, Leif, and also thanks for letting the
>> list know about it!
>>
>> - liz
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
>>
>>> This afternoon I asked an older man named James to leave Noisebridge.
>>>
>>> This is loud obnoxious James who used to wear a cowboy hat and be around
>>> frequently. Today was the first time I've seen him in several months; I
>>> heard he has been in southen california.
>>>
>>> Based on conversations I've had with him and with people who know him
>>> better than I do, I believe he harasses women on the street and responds
>>> poorly to suggestions that he should stop doing that.
>>>
>>> I told him that I would prefer that he *not* return to the weekly
>>> meeting, but that if he wants to see if the rest of the community agrees
>>> with my assessment that he should not be at Noisebridge he could attend.
>>> He said he will stay away until the meeting and will come to "stand
>>> trial".
>>>
>>> I think James epitomizes the truism that by including some people we are
>>> actually exlcuding others. I hope we don't need to spend too much time
>>> discussing him at the meeting.
>>>
>>> ~leif
>>>
>>> ps: Thank you to the 3 people who agreed to join me in having this
>>> difficult conversation!
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> Liz Henry
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>> lizhenry at gmail.com
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