[Noisebridge-discuss] Speakers and amplified sound at NB

Andrew Byrne andrew at pachakutech.com
Wed May 29 21:26:36 UTC 2013


Here's attempting:
In the interaction that Zack is referring to, he did not ask to turn the
music down--indeed it could scarcely have been turned down and deemed
audible--he asked me to turn it off, and then asserted that Noisebridge has
agreed that the PA is only to be used for projects. Is this so?
On May 29, 2013 2:18 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dru, I barely understand this.  What are you trying to say, in plain
> language?
>
> It can be nice sometimes to feel everyone is listening to shared music.
>
> Here is what it boils down to for me: Ask around to see if people object
> to music.  If they do object, please listen to it in headphones, quit
> playing the guitar, etc.  Ask the objector if they mind if you do it later.
> Negotiate.
>
> I have seen many friendly negotiations happen between people using loud
> equipment and people who want quiet for thought or discussion.  It isn't
> that hard to negotiate mutual use, taking turns, etc.
>
>
>
> - Liz
>
>
>
>
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> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>
>> I remain dismayed at the promulgation of a zombie idea. This has nothing
>> to do with "blasting the space", or "turning down the volume". As the
>> person who called Zach out on his bullshit, may I repeat: this is about his
>> assertion that there is to be /no/ music played in Noisebridge; that the PA
>> is only for projects, not music or film.
>> When I heard that crock, I told him I felt that he had overstepped his
>> personal boundaries, and that Noisebridge would never come to the consensus
>> that there would be /no/music played in the space, whereupon he started to
>> tell me how that was so, and I said I'd rather get back to hacking. We
>> spent the rest of the day in silence, excepting the ambient.
>>
>> Funny how one bit of mumbling around the facts can make otherwise
>> respectable people hoot and holler about something completely OT. Zack,
>> please help clarify the debate: this is about Noisebridge not allowing any
>> non-project noise, yes? Again, considering your hyperalgesia and how much
>> you do contribute, this seems a reasonable request. -dru
>>  On May 29, 2013 1:54 PM, "John Ellis" <neurofog at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some music can be a more of a problem for me, than machines in the
>>> machine shop.
>>>
>>> There is also the part where blasting the entire space with your
>>> personal music loudly is not related to hacking, whereas working in the
>>> machine shop is. I know people hack on electronic music instruments, and
>>> thats fine, as long as there is some consideration for how loud, and the
>>> other people in the space.
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, LinkReincarnate <
>>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I still never got a response to my questions though.  If noise is a
>>>> problem why not remove the woodshop?  Why cant it be majority in the space
>>>> rules?  Isnt part of being excellent being reasonable and sharing use of
>>>> the space? If I ask everyone in the area if they are ok with music  and
>>>> someone new walks in the door I have to stop playing it? I am bothered by
>>>> the idea of anyone entering the space and forcing everyone who was already
>>>> there to change their behavior.  If I can listen to my headphones you can
>>>> put in earplugs.  Indeed if a person really is hypersensitive to sound it
>>>> makes sense for them to carry a set of earplugs.  Why is it ok for one
>>>> person to dictate terms to others because of they are inconvenienced when
>>>> they could easily remedy it for themselves.
>>>>  On May 29, 2013 12:25 PM, "LinkReincarnate" <linkreincarnate at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I never refused to turn the music down.  I wasnt there.  I am mocking
>>>>> no one.  My tone was that of  a bemused satan.  Am I not allowed to express
>>>>> a disenting opinion to a comment?  Please be aware that tone doesnt
>>>>> transmit via the internet and give me the benefit of the doubt.
>>>>>  On May 29, 2013 9:29 AM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No link.... if someone is asking you to turn the music down and
>>>>>> you're not, it's just plain old disrespectful of you to refuse and then
>>>>>> mock them.  Remember the "be excellent to each other" part?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM, LinkReincarnate <
>>>>>> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 is your hypersythesia in your ears?(that is a serious question)
>>>>>>> 2 music bothers you but you can live with people running the table
>>>>>>> saw?
>>>>>>> 3 this is a doocracy if you have a problem bring it up yourself.  If
>>>>>>> it is not worth attending the meeting to do it yourself then its not worth
>>>>>>> anyone elses time bringing it up.
>>>>>>> 4 we are a hackerspace not a workerspace and some of us like to hack
>>>>>>> on noisy/musical projects
>>>>>>> 5 are you really complaining that noisebridge is too loud.  Have you
>>>>>>> read the name?  Are you trolling?
>>>>>>> 6 seriously you come to a place called noisebridge and complain
>>>>>>> about the sounds??
>>>>>>> 7 numbered lists are fun
>>>>>>> 8 i think that the music rule should be majority in the space gets
>>>>>>> their way. Im willing to follow this even if people dont want music but
>>>>>>> allowing one person to dictatate when music can and cant be played seems
>>>>>>> doesnt sit well with me.
>>>>>>> On May 28, 2013 12:16 AM, "Zach" <organic_unity at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>>   I wont be able to make it to the meeting on Tues, and I had a
>>>>>>>> talk with someone at NB this week (again) about playing music on the giant
>>>>>>>> amplified speakers in the main space at NB.  This was discussed at a
>>>>>>>> meeting in the past, and this person suggested it be brought up again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the past meeting on this people shared their thoughts and said:
>>>>>>>> 1) it is a long standing NB practice to tell people to use
>>>>>>>> headphones/laptop speakers to play personal music for entertainment
>>>>>>>> 2) everyone has their own taste in music which is not always shared
>>>>>>>> in common
>>>>>>>> 3) the space is a worker space, not a music venue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really am burnt out on NB drama of sorts, and have only started
>>>>>>>> coming to NB again recently.  Its frustrating to have to beat this dead
>>>>>>>> horse nearly every time Im at NB.  After that meeting things did improve a
>>>>>>>> lot and many people were very kind and responsive.  It still does come up
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not that I think its entirely relevant, but this does affect my
>>>>>>>> medical condition.  I was diagnosed with hyperaesthesia (
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperesthesia) among other things.
>>>>>>>> I can show my medical records to people if it would help.  Honestly, I
>>>>>>>> think this is just a matter of respect.  I use the space to work on
>>>>>>>> projects, fix things, and educate.  I dont see why playing music on those
>>>>>>>> large speakers to fill the entire space with sound is necessary.  It can be
>>>>>>>> very disruptive and for me it is actually painful.  For the most part, I
>>>>>>>> ask people if I can turn the music down when I'm there and most everyone is
>>>>>>>> accomodating.  I usually then tell people when I'm leaving so they can turn
>>>>>>>> the volume back up if they like.  But there are people that are very
>>>>>>>> confrontational about this like the incident this week, so if someone could
>>>>>>>> mention this at a meeting again, even briefly, it could help.  Feel free to
>>>>>>>> read/show this email at the meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for reading what I have to share,
>>>>>>>> Zach
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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