[Noisebridge-discuss] [SPAM] Re: Close noisebridge, to fix noisebridge

Andrew Byrne andrew at pachakutech.com
Fri May 31 19:46:00 UTC 2013


+1
On May 31, 2013 9:06 AM, "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hitting reset doesn't fix a problem. It simply clears it out of the recent
> history in hopes that it won't happen again.
>
> There are plenty of people at Noisebridge regularly who have been
> discussing everything that has been occurring recently. Some of them have
> been trying very hard to come up with ideas to help advance the real
> culture of Noisebridge (i.e., as a hackerspace, not as a haterspace).
> Unfortunately, a lot of those people do not feel that they are allowed to
> speak up at meetings.
>
> Part of this has to do with actions taken lately by individuals to address
> "using Noisebridge inappropriately".  I'm not sure what this means anymore.
> Those of us who come to Noisebridge to work on our projects are suddenly
> being told that we're using Noisebridge wrong. And now I see comments about
> using the kitchen wrong, that it should only be used for food hacking.
>
> I'm not sure how it is detrimental to Noisebridge that some of us come
> here because it is the only place we can work on our stuff. There are quite
> a few that come here to telecommute to their jobs. We've had Kickstarters
> launched here.  We've had other start-ups launched here, and a majority of
> the work on them done here, both before and after start-up.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I happen to respect Martin. I think he is wrong on
> this, however. A reset is not going to solve anything, it will only
> postpone the discussion until next time - or the time after that, or after
> that, or after that...
>
> I find it disappointing to see this kind of monochrome thinking being
> espoused on the list. "All homeless people out"... because nothing
> important or worthwhile has ever been done by a homeless person at
> Noisebridge? "All junkies out" (as a recent graffiti "artist" puts it)...
> because nobody in recovery or struggling to break out of that cycle will
> ever be worth Noisebridge's time?
>
> I will also note that, despite a number of issues with people in the space
> drunk, the concept of banning alcohol has never been seriously discussed,
> but it's okay to talk about throwing out people who might have done drugs
> in the past.
>
> I also find it suspect that we can spend all this time on the list,
> hanging out, etc., talkin g about all the problems, but those problems
> rarely get brought to the meeting. We can have hackathons for EFF issues,
> for Aaron Schwartz, for Raspberry Pi, but we can't have one for
> Noisebridge, to work on our own issues with due diligence and compassion?
> To carefully consider the issues, the people affected by them, and the
> people who might be inadvertently affected by proposed solutions?
>
> We're adults (most of us, anyway). Part of being adults is taking
> responsibility for the consequences of our own actions, INCLUDING the ones
> we don't foresee or intend to have happen. It seems people are throwing out
> suggestions based on "it won't negatively affect me, so it's a perfect
> plan."
>
>
> - Reverend Mik McAllister
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/30/13, Martin Bogomolni <martinbogo at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> It's been expressed more than a few times that there is a cultural
> breakdown happening at noisebridge.   Stuff disappears from the space
> (stolen or otherwise).   The kitchen area is being used for survival
> cooking, not hacking food.   Drug use.   Bad behavior and unwelcome
> activities.
>
> Sometimes, to fix a problem, you need to hit the "reset" button.
>
> You can't change the timing belt in a running engine.   I think the
> same thing holds true for social spaces.   Trying to fix some of these
> things on the fly in a running and working space is a
> nigh-insurmountable task.
>
> I think it would be a good idea to shut the door.  Spend a couple
> weeks having a core crew come in and clean the space top to bottom,
> front to back.   Neaten up the stuff.. bring things up from chaos to
> something more ordered.  Change the locks and the key pattern.  It's
> just a lock.  They are just keys.
>
> Use the time to think about the way the social structure works.  How
> the physical access works.  What it means to be a member vs/ a
> visitor.   Re-evaluate the way things work and how things Could Be
> Made Better(tm).
>
> My $.02.
>
> -M
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