[Noisebridge-discuss] [sudo-discuss] Live demo refuting quantum mechanics, invitation (fwd)

Sean Cusack sean.p.cusack at gmail.com
Mon Nov 18 09:23:19 UTC 2013

I've tried to read this guy's theories a bunch, but keep getting pretty
confused. Is he not just describing *exactly* what the Heisenberg certainty
principle predicts (in mathy terms dXdP > h/2)?

In this instance, he has set up an experiment where he is expecting to
detect particle interactions on an oscilloscope (making dX very small).
However, the behavior he is getting is that of a photon spread over both of
the detectors at the same time (dP is getting very large and "smearing" the
particle over both of the detectors). So, I guess I don't understand the

That being said, it has been about 10 years since I used to TA quantum back
in college, so my brain could use a reboot..I know he has tried to get this
published in Nature before...but that is mind of like submitting your first
ever photograph for front page publication on National Geography. Would be
great if he aimed his research at more targeted journals for peer review.
If they turn him down, he'll at least get some idea why peers think he is
off track.

On Nov 17, 2013 11:45 PM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> i've been to his lab and seen everything up-close.  I also saw it at maker
> faire in 2008 or so.
> My favorite experiment is one where he has two sodium-iodide
> scintillators, each optically coupled to its own photomultiplier tube, and
> a radioactive source.
> The objects are placed source, detector, detector, such that one detector
> (only the sodium iodide crystal, the rest is off to the side) is in between
> the other detector and the radioactive source.
> He sets up window comparators on both detectors, so they only trigger on
> events which correspond to the energy of the radiation source, and sets up
> a time-comparison between the two detectors.  If detector A triggers within
> a certain time of detector B it is called a coincidence.
> Coincidences are mapped on the x-scale of a chart, where x=0 is when the
> event from A and B are simultaneous.  If they are not simultaneous, the
> difference in time between the detections is where on X they land.  The
> vertical of the chart is a cumulative addup of how many times that has
> happened in that x position.
> You would think that a gamma event could only be detected by one detector
> or the other, and be annihilated - and his chart would be white noise. But
> you can see very clearly that there is a lot of detection of the same event
> by the two detectors.
> How is that possible?  come see for yourself and try to figure it out.
> -jake
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
>> Gamma rays are high-energy high-frequency photons.  What Reiter is
>> claiming is that he can demonstrate that gamma rays behave in a manner
>> unlike visible light photons, that
>> refutes the particle/wave duality that is central to the quantum theory.
>> What's Reiter's history of peer-reviewed publications?
>> If Reiter's theory goes back to 2003 and the demonstration setup is
>> portable, has he ever booked an open-forum slot at a physics conference, to
>> demonstrate his results?
>> If this worked and could be replicated, it should have been major news
>> years ago.
>> I'm highly skeptical.  Comments welcome from anyone with formal education
>> in physics.
>> -G
>> =====
>> On 13-11-17-Sun 8:21 PM, Jake wrote:
>>       ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>       Hello friends of Unquantum,
>>       I am doing a live demonstration of the gamma-ray unquantum effect
>> that refutes the photon model of light.
>>       It will be at the Chit-Chat Cafe, 5 West Manor Dr, tomorrow Monday
>> night November 18th and Monday night November 25th at 6 to 7:30 PM.   The
>> poster for the event and
>>       details of
>>       this work are at http://www.unquantum.net
>>       This issue is important even if you are not a physicist.  Not all
>> of you are "friends of unquantum;" some are foes.  Some of you will think
>> this unquantum effect is
>>       impossible,
>>       so this is your chance to see it for yourself.  I will video the
>> event to post on Youtube, and will field all questions and feedback.
>>       Please forgive me for the following:  This is a mass mailing and
>> not personalized.   I only do these mailings for important events.  I may
>> have sent some of you this
>>       notice
>>       earlier. The poster on my website has me with my electric guitar.
>>  I did it that way to appeal to a wide audience.  I will also play a
>> musical instrument I made at
>>       the end of
>>       the event.  For some of you it is a long drive, but I reviewed my
>> list and did not want anyone to feel left out.
>>         Each event will be unique but each will demonstrate gamma-rays
>> defying the  photon model.  If you know anyone who would be interested I
>> hope you will please
>>       inform.
>>       Thank you for your interest.
>>       Eric Reiter
>>       Unquantum Laboratory
>>       http://www.unquantum.net
>>       Pacifica, CA, 94044
>>       650 738 9255
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