[Noisebridge-discuss] Asking sleepers at Noisebridge to leave.

[Jeffrey Carl Faden]

Frantisek, are you a member? I'm seeing you endorse people for associate
membership on the wiki, so I'm curious.

Jeffrey


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> >>> I think this is important misunderstanding to the baning procedure and
> the rights of Noisebridge member comments below:
> As a member, you are empowered to do-ocratically ban someone when they
> are behaving poorly and you think it the appropriate remedy.
>
> >>> Based on the history I do not think that baning another person from
> Noisebridge is in the power of one single person, with exception of extreme
> cases like physical violence. If you do not like something about what the
> person does and you think that it is against the ways of Noisebridge (as
> the sleeping in the place is), you may ask the person to leave as Al did
> and if you really feel strongly about the situation you can ask them to
> leave and/or come back to the next meeting, like I had to do by myself for
> example. But baning someone just by one voice is not really what I see as a
> Noisebridge way.
>
> To be sure, I urge you to use this remedy sparingly, and only when it
> really
> is the right thing to do. A ban issued this way can be reversed by
> consensus (just like everything else).
>
> >>> Good to see the softer touch but I believe you are wrong fundamentally
> on the ban lifting, to ban someone is a topic for the consensus and has toe
> be confirmed by this proces, not the other way around. Only the Noisebridge
> meeting body I would say has the right to ban someone for longer period of
> time. The grey area may be if that person who was asked to leave by a
> member (member of community) doesn't come to the meeting, than I personally
> assume that he/she should stay away, at least for a while.
>
> >>> I am not sure if you really meant exactly what you wrote, I may
> misunderstand.
>
> >>> Sincerely,
>
> >>> FAA
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
>
>   On Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:28 AM, Tom Lowenthal <
> me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
>  [Responses inline.]
>
> On 22 November 2013 08:37, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I came by the space around 7am this morning and found three people
> sleeping.
>
> Al, thanks for coming by the space so early, and doing the thankless
> task of confronting folks who are behaving poorly.
>
> > I woke up the other two, told them my name, asked if they were members
> (they
> > both said they were associate members).
>
> Did you also ask what their names or wiki user names are? It'd be
> great to have people accountable for this sort of behavior. This
> probably goes without saying, but I think it'd be pretty bad behavior
> for someone to lie about being an associate member.
>
> > If I find the two guys crashing at Noisebridge again, I'm going to
> propose
> > banning them from the space at the next weekly meeting.
>
> As a member, you are empowered to do-ocratically ban someone when they
> are behaving poorly and you think it the appropriate remedy. To be
> sure, I urge you to use this remedy sparingly, and only when it really
> is the right thing to do. A ban issued this way can be reversed by
> consensus (just like everything else).
>
> -Tom
>
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