[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

Drew Smith drew at riotnrrd.com
Fri Nov 15 00:55:39 UTC 2013


people are probably going to hate this suggestion, but streaming like this
is suuuuper easy to do with google hangouts.

Cheers,
- Drew.

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Drew Smith (mux) <drew at riotnrrd.com>, VA7DSX / VE0TF
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I agree with Jacob, Jim and Leif,
> I wonder if there is any chance of streaming the meeting. I do not want to
> add to the workload needed to prepare and run the meeting but if people
> would be OK with that, it would be nice. Otherwise meeting notes ...
>
> I've seen this rule creation drive in spaces before, do not remember any
> of them resulting in increased levels of social understanding and caring
> for others. The beauty of "being excellent to each other" is I think in
> that white page which you fill up with your thinking and feeling about the
> others and how to treat them, you need to concentrate and develop, rather
> than reading the list of rules from the number 1 to 333 being than ready to
> be cool. It doesn't work like that. I remember for example 091 labs in
> Ireland which I was involved few years ago did not have even voting or any
> other agreement system in place, which really surprised me. They just got
> together and talked and sorted the things in a nice way. It was one of the
> most welcoming places which I've been in to, medium scale membership base I
> would say.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
>
>   On Friday, November 15, 2013 6:15 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us>
> wrote:
>  On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:24:03PM -0800, jim wrote:
> >
> >    I agree. This stuff is wrong and should
> > not be supported but opposed. It seems to
> > me that we now have a small cabal that is
> > trying to address problems by fiat rather
> > than ad hoc with sympathy and analysis and
> > patience.
> >
> >    Ideals should not be implemented as
> > policies or rules: ideals are ideal and
> > cannot account for all of reality for any
> > situation let alone multiple similar
> > situations.
>
> +1
>
> jim, I know you're not a fan of meetings, but I really wish you'd lend your
> voice to them occassionally!
>
> Others too: it seems that only a very small number of members have been
> attending meetings lately, and they're making some ridiculous decisions.
>
> Noisebridge appears to be getting trolled into becoming an authoritarian
> parody
> of a hackerspace. I urge you all to stop letting this happen.
>
> ~leif
>
> ps: I haven't attended a meeting myself since July as I'm currently not
> living
> in SF; I sure hope I'll be able to get into Noisebridge without submitting
> to a
> cavity search when I get back!
>
>
> > On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 19:40 +0000, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> > > I was disheartened to see the following:
> > >
> > > > B. We discussed Tom's proposal to make the list of members public. We
> > > > agreed the following:
> > > >
> > > > "It shall not a secret whether a person is Member of Noisebridge. It
> shall
> > > > be the responsibility of each member to identify themself as a
> member by
> > > > adding the Category:Members to their wiki user page. Until a Member
> so
> > > > identifies, they shall not be entitled to any privilege of
> Noisebridge
> > > > Membership. Likewise, if a member is on Membership/Hiatus, they must
> > > > indicate this by adding the Category:Hiatus to their wiki user page;
> this
> > > > method of so identifying shall replace any other notification
> requirement
> > > > for going on and coming off hiatus. Although it shall generally be a
> > > > responsibility shared by all members to ensure that this category of
> > > > identification is used correctly, in cases where its use is disputed,
> > > > Noisebridge's secretary shall be the final arbiter."
> > >
> > > It has never been a secret that a person is a member of Noisebridge -
> > > rather if someone wishes to identify as such, it is their choice. The
> > > membership binder and the treasurer are the final arbiter of any
> > > statements made by anyone, of course.
> > >
> > > With that said - the above is rather sad but the following for next
> week
> > > is really sad:
> > >
> > > > A. "As a result of our prior conversation, we collectively propose:
> If a
> > > > member has not identified themself as such by adding the
> Category:Members
> > > > to their wiki user page by $DATE, they shall no longer be a member of
> > > > Noisebridge."
> > >
> > > I object and request a proxy at the next meeting to block this in the
> > > consensus process.
> > >
> > > Members of Noisebridge have a right to privacy and they should have a
> > > right to decide if they disclose their affiliation with Noisebridge.
> > > This robs them of that ability in a time when we face massive
> > > persecution from both corporate and state actors.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jacob
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