[Noisebridge-discuss] not calling police (was: thursdaaaaaay)

Hannah Grimm dharlette at gmail.com
Wed Oct 23 00:09:23 UTC 2013

Why was Pigeon asked to leave?

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:

> I spoke with Monad for a while about calling the police on Pigeon the
> other night, and tried to impress on him the importance of keeping The
> Police calling as an absolute last resort.
> (I wasn't there thursday night)
> I told him about the 311 phone call system that used to be in place, where
> Noisebridgers who lived nearby would make themselves available to be woken
> up to come to the space and handle situations that needed immediate
> mediation (or at least talk someone down over the phone)
> Apparently there were not enough people at Noisebridge at the time who
> were actively backing up Monad's insistence that Pigeon leave.  I find this
> unexcellent, because everyone should take responsibility to solve problems
> like this when they come up.
> If people agreed with Monad that Pigeon should leave, they should have
> stood shoulder to shoulder with Monad staring down Pigeon (nothing further
> than that is required) Or, if they disagreed that Pigeon should leave, they
> should have mediated the conflict right then and there.
> According to Monad, apparently people decided they didn't care, and they
> sat back down and ignored the situation and then the police were called.
> And while Dana and Rayc showed up to help, and Daravinne was there, somehow
> this wasn't enough to solve the problem a different way.
> We should all learn what we can from this thing that happened, and I think
> we should remember that when conflict is happening in the space, we should
> step up to help solve it before something drastic happens.
> Also it sounds like Pigeon is an asshole and Monad was just trying to do
> what he thought was right for Noisebridge, in context of the problem he
> faced and the support he had on his side.
> -jake
> bfb wrote:
> Hmm, I was at a Noisebridge benefit with Monad until around 23:00 that
> night.
> Daravinne, did Pigeon's behavior warrant a call to the police? Did they
> threaten the safety of themselves or others at Noisebridge? It sounds to
> me that Monad overreacted. It should not become common place to request
> police assistance at Nosiebridge. -Kevin
> daravinne wrote:
>  coffee roasting workshop and 3d printer group earlier in the evening.
>>  everything was basically quiet and normal til about 11ish when pigeon
>> was asked to leave by monad.  pigeon refused to leave, whereupon monad
>> called the police.  then there were police in the space for a few minutes,
>> and then rayc and dana showed up.  pigeon did leave of his own accord and
>> has been asked again not to return until a tuesday meeting. i've asked
>> monad to take pigeon's picture and put it on the 86 page with a brief
>> description of the problems and steps taken and current state, etc.
>> otherstuff:  i found a black duffel kinda bag with an orange towely thing
>> at the top, in the server room.  i have taken it out of the server room and
>> closed the server room door.  the bag is by the shelves by the server room.
>>  i also bought toilet paper because there was none left. the wired network
>> is in some state of unworking but wireless works fine.
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