[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge is now Members and their Guests only, 24/7 please read and learn about it

Jake jake at spaz.org
Thu Oct 31 08:10:48 UTC 2013

duh, i wasn't even at the meeting when it was passed.  but you wouldn't 
know because you've been out of the country for years.

also, this was announced more than a week before the meeting, and there 
was plenty of discussion at both this meeting the previous one, and in the 
intervening week.  There was plenty of time for people to express their 
concerns in a constructive way if they had wanted to.


On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:

> Jake how could you make something like this happen when you knew there are
> just four members present? You have been trying for more than year ignoring
> the others who were against (and active the in the place for years). you have
> abused consensus, I truly hope that some "rule" to increase the number of
> members who have to be at the meeting will come in effect soon because now it
> looks like that anything will come through if pushed again and again through.
> I'm really disappointed that you did this.
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:19 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> The front page of the website is a wiki.  You can edit it if you think it
> needs to change.  When did you stop being a hacker?
> This policy hasn't been in effect a full day yet, and yet you're full of
> criticism for it with ZERO constructive suggestions.  [insert joke about
> constructing bunk beds here]
> as for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, apparently more people
> believe that to be true about people who refused for so long to do
> anything about the downhill slide that noisebridge has been in for a long
> time.  Geese can die from lack of care you know.
> As for being surprised that members passed this, another way to word it is
> that after weeks of discussion about this issue, all of the members who
> decided to show up agreed that it needed to be done.
> problems are not solved by blocking or criticising efforts.  Problems are
> solved by making changes until things work better.
> As for noisebridge's public image, I empower you to publicize the subtle
> concept that the general public is welcome to stop by and that they will
> almost certainly be invited in and given a proper introduction and tour,
> and that we are eager to see them.
> While you're at it please tell them that we are working hard to replace
> our current perception by the public as a place you would never WANT to go
> with one where you WILL want to go and hack.  And if you refuse to
> recognize the reality that the golden eggs don't WANT to go to noisebridge
> because of its radical inclusivity, you're ignoring a lot of people's
> opinions.
> -jake
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Leif Ryge wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:41:14AM -0700, Jake wrote:
> >> in every practical way nothing has changed at all.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Noisebridge continues to be open to the public 24/7 just as it always was.
> >
> > Do you actually believe those two statements? I almost expect you to say
> "not
> > wittingly" next!
> >
> > The front page of the website now says "Noisebridge is open 24/7 to Members,
> > Associate Members and guests thereof".
> >
> > It seems pretty obvious that people who don't know anyone there would, upon
> > reading that, get the impression that they can't just drop in. I think most
> > people (by a large margin) who have done awesome stuff at Noisebridge didn't
> > know anyone physically present the first times they visited the space. So, I
> > think this policy will have a significant negative impact.
> >
> > As I've said before, I think you're killing the goose that lays golden eggs.
> >
> > I am especially disappointed that this extremely drastic change was
> > adopted at a meeting with only four members present. I hope the
> > membership of Noisebridge will reconsider this.
> >
> > ~leif
> >
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