[Noisebridge-discuss] internet is really slow in the space

[Nicholas LoCicero]

Yeah, or just hack a hidden network together for yourself and frontload
your queries ahead of the visible networks. This allows you and anyone you
invite to drink from the firehose.

And on top of all that, it wouldn't surprise me if the NB firewall was
already punched and the network was being accessed by some dudes relaying
stuff using a raspberrypi in the rafters.
On Sep 23, 2013 5:13 PM, "Jonathan Toomim" <jtoomim at jtoomim.org> wrote:

>  John, doesn't HTTP generally run over TCP? What happens when the router
> randomly start dropping packets for a TCP connection? Or a little less
> orthodox: What happens if the router starts to duplicate ACKs? (Hint<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_congestion_avoidance_algorithm>
> )
>
> However, the best solution is probably just to buy more bandwidth.
>
> On 9/23/2013 5:43 PM, Jake wrote:
>
> hey man just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, John Adams wrote:
>
> It's downright impossible to implement traffic shaping when the traffic is
> asymmetrically loaded and you do not
> control the other end of the link. You can reserve uplink bandwidth but
> look at how the problem plays out with HTTP
> requests.
> You make a tiny, 30 byte request that results in a flood of return
> traffic. If you attempt to shape traffic in the
> customer-side router, you can't shape it because you've already saturated
> the inbound pipe.
>
> We experience this problem all the time at DNA lounge. Some joker
> saturates the inbound pipe and our best defense
> becomes 'ban his mac address from dhcp'. I've seen many recipes for PF
> that claim to do this but it's generally
> hopeless.
>
> -j
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Nicholas LoCicero
> <nick.locicero at gmail.com> <nick.locicero at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>       I was there as well, but didn't notice any slow internet. Do you
> think it could be the ISP?
>
>       On Sep 23, 2013 6:45 AM, "Romy Snowyla" <romy at snowyla.com><romy at snowyla.com>wrote:
>             I was at Noisebridge Saturday evening and verify yes it was
> very slow
>
>             Sent from my iPhone
>
>             > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org><jake at spaz.org>wrote:
>             >
>             > how do you find out what is using up all the bandwidth, and
> block it?
>             >
>             > the internet is unusably slow.  If noisebridge doesn't have
> tools, materials or even
>             internet connectivity, what are we doing?
>             >
>             > assuming nobody wants to tell me how to poke into the
> innards of our traffic routing, maybe
>             someone can implement traffic shaping so that no one can use
> so much bandwidth that everyone
>             else is shut out?
>             >
>             > -jake
>             >
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