[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

Thu Apr 3 22:38:52 UTC 2014

A dishwasher sounds great, I'd chip in for one too.

I don't believe this will at all help the fact that the space is used as a
community kitchen, but whether the dishwasher cleans plates used for that
or just used for drinking coffee and eating snacks, I'm all for it.

Dana seems to suggest that Noisebridge once had a dishwasher. In fact, I
might remember it as well. What happened to it? Got busted? If so, how?

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:28 PM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:

> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>
> DISHWASHER
>
> every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing dishes,
> myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual
> labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make dishes
> be washed themselves!
>
> I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Btw, point of information:
>>
>> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
>> > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
>> > living situations.
>> >
>> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
>> > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
>> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
>> > pour a drink.  Do you?
>> >
>> > --Naomi
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>> kitchen. The
>> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish
>> and has
>> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized
>> to
>> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>> understanding."
>> >>
>> >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not
>> have to
>> >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash
>> your
>> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding
>> and
>> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is really
>> >>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <
>> sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of the
>> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake
>> were
>> >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person and
>> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will
>> not
>> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that
>> this
>> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to speak
>> their
>> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
>> perspective by
>> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is
>> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space
>> without a
>> >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable
>> are
>> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>> kitchen.
>> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a
>> dish and
>> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>> mobilized to
>> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>> understanding.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
>> respectful
>> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because
>> community
>> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people
>> are
>> >>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're a
>> 501c3
>> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This is
>> a
>> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash
>> your own
>> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>> >>>>
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