[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space

openfly openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
Fri Apr 4 19:13:31 UTC 2014

Naomi is asking the big question.  The MOST important question facing noisebridge today.

"Who is a hacker?"

The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of it.  There is a
belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer up to the task of
furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'.  And there are folks who want to perform
major policy updates to the mission and general structure of noisebridge.  At the heart
of all of this is this one simple question.

"Who is a hacker?"

And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to noisebridge, is to
answer this other question...

"What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"

Answer those two questions now.  Or you are all fucked.  And noisebridge will implode.

And these aren't simple questions.  The reality is, if you answer them right, you are
going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off.  Because what you'll be 
doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is telling people
that they do not belong.  That they are no longer a part of the noisebridge community.
And that's going to hurt.

So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or not the space
should stay open late.   All of this is dancing around the very core issue.

Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed.  They want to redefine it.  In doing
this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the community.  And that
means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but contributors, and
die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome.  And they will fight
bitterly to avoid that.

So, as Naomi asked.  "Who is a hacker?"

What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today.  And what do you want it to be
tomorrow.  Hold no punches.  It's time to decide what the fuck you people are about.


On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
> Mmkay.
> >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.
> Who is a hacker?
> > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???
> Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"
> people squat at NB?
> --Naomi
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter Gaming.
> >
> >
> > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing methods and
> > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent Misusers.
> > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING SUPER
> > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs... Means-
> > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place upon the
> > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.  Because- a misused kitchen
> > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with
> > Squatters.
> >
> > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn from my
> > Life Experience Points...
> >
> > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the Excellent
> > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the Un-excellent.
> > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!
> >
> > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING?  Food Hacking, or just feeding
> > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.  I may need to repeat this a bit-
> > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both paths.. If
> > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my words or
> > deeds.
> >
> >   Who of us   is sanely  opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use is
> > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to THEM?
> > Really- READ the star bracketed text  several times  FOR A SANITY CHECK...
> >
> >
> >
> > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to use a
> > Kitchen if they want to.  This ain't a class caste struggle game- it's about
> > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS. Including the
> > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking surrendering to
> > ANYONE. ***
> >
> >  I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that many of us
> > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any desire
> > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally served if
> > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.
> >
> >  I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a Squatter in an
> > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at
> > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE quite
> > irrespective of Kitchen or  not... and if NB"s held as NOT for HACKING FIRST
> > do consider that  we re-charter as "Something Else"  for reals.
> >
> >  ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace
> > HACKERS???
> >
> >  DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR capabilities!! .
> > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the Misusers can
> > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational lack of
> > same- is based on their actions.
> >
> >  Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's larder- do so
> > on YOUR money etc.
> >
> > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove
> > "something"  in  reactive mode- to their crap.
> >
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