[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space

Fri Apr 4 19:36:22 UTC 2014

This is an easy question.  Everyone can be considered a hacker, however a
hacker cannot do anything they want at Noisebridge.  Living at Noisebridge
is one of these things.

It will be easier to define the purpose of Noisebridge when its members are
not performing the unwanted actions.  When people are not living at
Noisebridge, the only reason for them to visit the space will be to
actually perform "hacking".

On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:13 PM, openfly <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
> wrote:

> Naomi is asking the big question.  The MOST important question facing
> noisebridge today.
>
> "Who is a hacker?"
>
> The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of
> it.  There is a
> belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer up to
> the task of
> furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'.  And there are folks who
> want to perform
> major policy updates to the mission and general structure of noisebridge.
>  At the heart
> of all of this is this one simple question.
>
> "Who is a hacker?"
>
> And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to
> noisebridge, is to
> answer this other question...
>
> "What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"
>
> Answer those two questions now.  Or you are all fucked.  And noisebridge
> will implode.
>
> And these aren't simple questions.  The reality is, if you answer them
> right, you are
> going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off.  Because what
> you'll be
> doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is
> telling people
> that they do not belong.  That they are no longer a part of the
> noisebridge community.
> And that's going to hurt.
>
> So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or
> not the space
> should stay open late.   All of this is dancing around the very core issue.
>
> Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed.  They want to redefine
> it.  In doing
> this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the community.
>  And that
> means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but
> contributors, and
> die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome.  And they will
> fight
> bitterly to avoid that.
>
>
> So, as Naomi asked.  "Who is a hacker?"
>
> What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today.  And what do you want
> it to be
> tomorrow.  Hold no punches.  It's time to decide what the fuck you people
> are about.
>
> -openfly
>
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
> > Mmkay.
> >
> > >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.
> >
> > Who is a hacker?
> >
> > > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???
> >
> > Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"
> > people squat at NB?
> >
> > --Naomi
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter Gaming.
> > >
> > >
> > > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing methods
> and
> > > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent
> Misusers.
> > > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING
> SUPER
> > > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs... Means-
> > > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place
> upon the
> > > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.  Because- a misused
> kitchen
> > > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with
> > > Squatters.
> > >
> > > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn
> from my
> > > Life Experience Points...
> > >
> > > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the
> Excellent
> > > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the
> Un-excellent.
> > > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!
> > >
> > > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING?  Food Hacking, or just
> feeding
> > > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.  I may need to repeat this a
> bit-
> > > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both paths..
> If
> > > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my
> words or
> > > deeds.
> > >
> > >   Who of us   is sanely  opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use is
> > > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to
> THEM?
> > > Really- READ the star bracketed text  several times  FOR A SANITY
> CHECK...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to use
> a
> > > Kitchen if they want to.  This ain't a class caste struggle game- it's
> about
> > > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS. Including
> the
> > > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking
> surrendering to
> > > ANYONE. ***
> > >
> > >  I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that many
> of us
> > > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any
> desire
> > > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally
> served if
> > > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.
> > >
> > >  I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a Squatter
> in an
> > > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS
> SQUAT at
> > > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE
> quite
> > > irrespective of Kitchen or  not... and if NB"s held as NOT for HACKING
> FIRST
> > > do consider that  we re-charter as "Something Else"  for reals.
> > >
> > >  ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace
> > > HACKERS???
> > >
> > >  DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR
> capabilities!! .
> > > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the
> Misusers can
> > > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational
> lack of
> > > same- is based on their actions.
> > >
> > >  Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's larder-
> do so
> > > on YOUR money etc.
> > >
> > > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove
> > > "something"  in  reactive mode- to their crap.
> > >
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> >
> > --
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