[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Tue Apr 15 14:56:34 UTC 2014

Ron,

Matt Senate co-founded sudo room and definitely is familiar with Noisebridge.

> we need to actually have a team of people that does pretty much nothing but clean and keep up the space.

I hope you mean that that's what it would /take/ to keep
current-Noisebridge clean, and not what we're striving for.

I hope that what we're striving for is a situation where better habits
and perhaps some better-prioritized resources (e.g. decision about
whether to keep the stove) tamp down the need for constant cleaning.

>  It would appear that the people who want the kitchen need to drastically step up their game.
> There should NEVER be dirty dishes ever.  There should NEVER be rotting food.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "never be dirty dishes ever", but
definitely the rotting food should never be an issue.  If you have
rotting food it means you have a situation where there isn't enough
shared information state within the group (kitchen group or
Noisebridge).  I bet we can fix that.

Btw... Let's all, together, work on using the word "we" when
describing the shared use of resources that WE would like to better
maintain.  I'm guilty of contributing to the us-versus-them mentality
here too.  I'm going to try to stop that.

--Naomi

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> Every hackerspace is different since each has a different community.  What
> works for one doesn't necessarily work for all.  Matt, you seem to be newish
> to noisebridge.  Please read over the past few years of meeting notes and
> the discuss list.
>
> Jenny you know noisebridge is a do ocracy.  Which means if you see something
> that needs doing you do it.  The problem is If you see dirty dishes and they
> always need doing, you won't get hacking done.   It is a complicated problem
> and requires a lot of thought to fix it.  With a space the size of
> noisebridge with as much foot traffic it gets (most likely at least 50+
> people a day), we need to actually have a team of people that does pretty
> much nothing but clean and keep up the space.  This includes constant
> organization, cleaning the kitchen, cleaning the bathrooms and teaching
> people about noisebridge.  Unfortunately we don't have enough people doing
> and many people just make messes (in the kitchen, in the hack shelf area and
> in the dirty shop).  They have been constant sources of contention.
> Removing the kitchen, as most people see it, is a simple way to drastically
> reduce the amount of flies, rodents, mold and other gross things in the
> space that are serious health issues.
>
>
> Now here is what I propose, there are TONS of people who want the kitchen
> apparently.  It would appear that the people who want the kitchen need to
> drastically step up their game.  There should NEVER be dirty dishes ever.
> There should NEVER be rotting food.  There should be dates on things when we
> put them anywhere.  There should be people cleaning their hands more (every
> time they touch themselves or their clothes during use of the kitchen).
> They should be instructed on proper food handling techniques.  Perhaps we
> should put some printouts from http://www.foodsafety.gov/.  There is a
> wealth of information.  If we have other people who have worked in
> restaurants, it would be really nice if we could arrange a weekly or daily
> perhaps instruction session to educate people.  Eventually the kitchen users
> would be well versed in how to keep a kitchen clean and happy.  Wanna come
> and do that?  Daily.  For the next month or two.  Maybe 3.  I can do that
> every day but Friday/Saturday for a little while since I have some
> birthday's to go to and friends in town.  Got time?
>
> On Apr 14, 2014 11:32 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Command_Pattern
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>> ;)
>>
>> On Mon 14 Apr 2014 10:34:21 PM PDT, Naomi Most wrote:
>> > Are you encouraging us to update the page with better information, Matt?
>> > :)
>> >
>> > --Naomi
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Kitchen_Pattern
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Gregory Dillon
>> >> <gregorydillon at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm in group (5) but I've also lost hope that a talking group or hand
>> >>> washing lessons will fix the problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> a deadline is good.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That.  But having proper cleaning is important.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Jessica Ross
>> >>>> <jessica.r.ross at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
>> >>>>> <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And then...?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That is what I am saying.  Let's make them aware of the work
>> >>>>>>> involved
>> >>>>>>> to do it properly and see if they still want it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2014 4:35 PM, "Adrian Chadd" <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 14 April 2014 16:32, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Part of kitchen cleaning is doing it daily.  And having a
>> >>>>>>>>> checklist.  That
>> >>>>>>>>> is how restaurants do it.  Sometimes multiple times daily.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Sure, but they also fire you if you don't do it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -a
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
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>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Jessica R. Ross
>> >>>>> jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Ronald Cotoni
>> >>>> Systems Engineer
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
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