[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Matthew Senate mattsenate at gmail.com
Tue Apr 15 18:25:13 UTC 2014

Hey all,

Thanks for all your notes. I did think Ron was sending a clear message of
RTFM ("read the fucking manual"), which of course is funny, because I have.
This is me staying up late reading the Noisebridge wiki:

-.- zZZ

On the other hand, I accepted it and decided to wait to see if you (or
anyone) started coordinating kitchen cleaning, which I think is all I was
hoping to encourage on this thread anyway.

We are rather overdue for a Bay Area Consortium of Hackerspaces
Unconference, hmm?


Thanks for addressing that response with Ron, and all your other comments.


I like the change of tone. How about a BACH Unconference with a cleaning
track? ;)

// Matt

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 04/14/2014 11:51 PM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
> > Also, we do not like telling each other what to do.  We should be
> > nicer to people and people should just do it.  Thats the point of
> > noisebridge.
> >
> My apologies. My response to Matt's invoking of a hackerspace pattern
> with linking to a pattern that's clearly not Noisebridge's MO
> (demonstrating that the patterns do not necessarily apply to
> Noisebridge), was overly subtle. Perhaps I should have included a few
> more winky faces.
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >   Matt, you seem to be
> >> newish to noisebridge.  Please read over the past few years of meeting
> >> notes and the discuss list.
> I do not think it's very nice to reply to folks who've started a
> hackerspace inspired very much by Noisebridge with "please familiarize
> yourself with Noisebridge". I apologize for not writing a more
> substantive reply, but posting to nb-discuss is often intimidating for
> me because of reactions such as this.
> >> Every hackerspace is different since each has a different community.
>  What
> >> works for one doesn't necessarily work for all.
> Agreed - but what works for another space is worthwhile to investigate,
> especially when things are not working and alternative solutions are
> being sought after. For instance, c-base does have a kitchen, but it's
> hidden behind the bar and generally a "trusted members only" space.
> Perhaps, then, making the kitchen area restricted to members-only and
> cordoning off the area is an alternative option.
> I really like Naomi's proposal, though I also very much appreciate the
> kitchen. Possibly a total kitchen annihilation is the best next move in
> resolving the rodent issue, but I've also yet to see a clear call to
> action to deep-clean the space. Collectively deep-cleaning the space can
> be made fun, productive, educational and therapeutic - and also provide
> an opportunity to onboard newer or less familiar folks to the work
> involved in maintaining a collective space.
> >>   Got time?
> Unfortunately, a good chunk of the time I spend at sudo is spent
> cleaning up after folks. However, I have found that personally
> demonstrating best practices often inspires others to do the same. I
> encourage you to do so, Ron, as you've already proposed.
> The problem largely seems, to me, to be a general disconnect between
> those who frequently use the kitchen and those who are trying to make
> Noisebridge work better. "Telling people what to do" may sound strong
> and antithetical to NB's values, and is maybe better reframed as
> "telling people how they are expected to behave at Noisebridge."
> Demonstrating these social norms, however, requires constant vigilance
> at a 24/7 space. I'm assuming better signage has already been
> instituted, though I don't personally recall signage with kitchen
> protocols being a feature of the NB kitchen.
> Just some thoughts from a long-time lurker on this list,
> Jenny
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