[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Adrian Chadd adrian.chadd at gmail.com
Tue Apr 15 19:28:27 UTC 2014

It doesn't need a cleaning track.

It needs a "how does a loose collection of disparate groups get
incentivized to start working together as a more cohesive group,
putting the collective needs up there with their own group needs?"

There's likely a lot of literature and study on this in the social
sciences and psychology spaces. In fact, I bet there's a lot of study
in these spaces focused on San Francisco, Oakland, New York, Chicago,
Detroit. This isn't new territory.


On 15 April 2014 11:25, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
> Thanks for all your notes. I did think Ron was sending a clear message of
> RTFM ("read the fucking manual"), which of course is funny, because I have.
> This is me staying up late reading the Noisebridge wiki:
> o.o
> O.O
> #.#
> -.- zZZ
> o.o
> O.O
> ^.^
> o.o
> -.-zZZ
> _._zZZ
> On the other hand, I accepted it and decided to wait to see if you (or
> anyone) started coordinating kitchen cleaning, which I think is all I was
> hoping to encourage on this thread anyway.
> We are rather overdue for a Bay Area Consortium of Hackerspaces
> Unconference, hmm?
> Jenny,
> Thanks for addressing that response with Ron, and all your other comments.
> +1
> Ron,
> I like the change of tone. How about a BACH Unconference with a cleaning
> track? ;)
> // Matt
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 04/14/2014 11:51 PM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>> > Also, we do not like telling each other what to do.  We should be
>> > nicer to people and people should just do it.  Thats the point of
>> > noisebridge.
>> >
>> My apologies. My response to Matt's invoking of a hackerspace pattern
>> with linking to a pattern that's clearly not Noisebridge's MO
>> (demonstrating that the patterns do not necessarily apply to
>> Noisebridge), was overly subtle. Perhaps I should have included a few
>> more winky faces.
>> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >   Matt, you seem to be
>> >> newish to noisebridge.  Please read over the past few years of meeting
>> >> notes and the discuss list.
>> I do not think it's very nice to reply to folks who've started a
>> hackerspace inspired very much by Noisebridge with "please familiarize
>> yourself with Noisebridge". I apologize for not writing a more
>> substantive reply, but posting to nb-discuss is often intimidating for
>> me because of reactions such as this.
>> >> Every hackerspace is different since each has a different community.
>>  What
>> >> works for one doesn't necessarily work for all.
>> Agreed - but what works for another space is worthwhile to investigate,
>> especially when things are not working and alternative solutions are
>> being sought after. For instance, c-base does have a kitchen, but it's
>> hidden behind the bar and generally a "trusted members only" space.
>> Perhaps, then, making the kitchen area restricted to members-only and
>> cordoning off the area is an alternative option.
>> I really like Naomi's proposal, though I also very much appreciate the
>> kitchen. Possibly a total kitchen annihilation is the best next move in
>> resolving the rodent issue, but I've also yet to see a clear call to
>> action to deep-clean the space. Collectively deep-cleaning the space can
>> be made fun, productive, educational and therapeutic - and also provide
>> an opportunity to onboard newer or less familiar folks to the work
>> involved in maintaining a collective space.
>> >>   Got time?
>> Unfortunately, a good chunk of the time I spend at sudo is spent
>> cleaning up after folks. However, I have found that personally
>> demonstrating best practices often inspires others to do the same. I
>> encourage you to do so, Ron, as you've already proposed.
>> The problem largely seems, to me, to be a general disconnect between
>> those who frequently use the kitchen and those who are trying to make
>> Noisebridge work better. "Telling people what to do" may sound strong
>> and antithetical to NB's values, and is maybe better reframed as
>> "telling people how they are expected to behave at Noisebridge."
>> Demonstrating these social norms, however, requires constant vigilance
>> at a 24/7 space. I'm assuming better signage has already been
>> instituted, though I don't personally recall signage with kitchen
>> protocols being a feature of the NB kitchen.
>> Just some thoughts from a long-time lurker on this list,
>> Jenny
>> http://jennyryan.net
>> http://sudomesh.org
>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
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>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>> it."
>>  -Hannah Arendt
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