[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen
gregorydillon at gmail.com
Thu Apr 17 18:04:37 UTC 2014
Cynthia is at the place now cleaning the kitchen, and sweeping the floor..
And you are welcome to come back to the place. Some of that stuff you
talk about is ancient history in Noisebridge years.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM, rachel lyra hospodar
<rachelyra at gmail.com>wrote:
> Before Jesse and Will called the cops on cynthia, she headed up an ongoing
> cleaning effort that was pretty epic. It was in some ways used as a
> justification for her presence in the space, which didn't necessarily go
> over well with folks but the kitchen was at least usable at that time.
> Since this incident was at the height of jesse z's alcoholic downward
> spiral and hate-poisoning of Noisebridge (featuring harassment of and in at
> least one case assault on various members), and hugely counter to the
> ideals that I supported for the space, I stopped coming by.
> I suspect that cynthia's cleaning efforts were part of what kept the
> kitchen space usable then.
> Perhaps she would like to be part of a cleaning working group.
> Crazy people like being part of a community, too.
> On Apr 15, 2014 4:17 PM, "Naomi Most" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't really want to solve the problems of the kitchen, not here and
>> not at all, really. I'm not interested in the kitchen. That's why it
>> wouldn't bother me to remove it, which puts me in with those people in
>> Let's be clear here: the point of Working Groups is to encourage
>> responsibility for resources by placing the problem-solving tasks
>> associated with those resources into the hands of those who are most
>> interested in the resources.
>> So, if anyone who has posted above is interested in forming a Kitchen
>> Working Group, there's a blank wiki page awaiting your typing fingers.
>> Otherwise, there is only one Action Item:
>> COMMUNICATE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE KITCHEN
>> I don't care what the solutions are. The people using the kitchen the
>> most will find the best solutions, or else they will end up without a
>> kitchen. That's the whole point.
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com>
>> > Yes! All great stuff. To be institutionalized by the Cleaning Working
>> > Group-- not a one-time soon-to-be-forgotten suggestions on a Mailing
>> > People need to realize many of your suggestions-- signage, shutting
>> down the
>> > kitchen, etc, have been tried by others before you! It didn't work! You
>> > really think you're the first people to talk about this problem? Been an
>> > issue for YEARS.
>> > Unstructured comments on a mailing list are not an effective
>> > process. Needs a long-term Working Group.
>> > Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Actionable Options:
>> > New "Controlled Decay" or "Cleaning" email list for active
>> > Noisebridgers
>> > Convergence of primary actors in seeing and investing in changes (a
>> > "meeting" or better a "cleaning party!")
>> > What about a cleaning party announced at beginning&end 5MOF on Thurs for
>> > after the event, with a concrete end time, a chance to meet folks who
>> > want to transform kitchen usage at the space? Decide on a second time to
>> > meet (every Thurs? every 5MOF?)
>> > Write and improve wiki pages on things like:
>> > Strategies for cleaning and maintaining a kitchen
>> > Lessons learned from other spaces, inspirations
>> > Articulating a shared vision of the future of food / cleaning /etc.
>> > Build consensus by bringing it to weekly meeting every week until
>> > improvement or some other resolution can be found.
>> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com>
>> >> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Cynthia and several others who are important in this
>> >> discussion are not on the mailing list.
>> >> J: Cynthia is a non-hacker, non-member, who to my knowledge has never
>> >> distinguished herself for cleaning or helping noisebridge, but has
>> >> distinguished herself by moving hacking tables out of the library into
>> >> kitchen last time the kitchen was "shut down".
>> >> Why should Cynthia have any damn voice in this discussion?
>> >> Shall the non-hacking squatters have a voice in the sleeping
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