[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Fri Apr 18 17:50:43 UTC 2014

> So I guess you feel nothing is wrong with NB?

That's a hell of a logical leap, Johny.  The intervening steps you
would have to take to get there include:

* assuming that Andy and the "NB old-timers" in question share all of
the same perspectives and ideals (probably not);

*  assuming that the whole idea of Associate Membership is what's
being taken to task here (it's not);

* assuming a false dichotomy between "let's implement Associate
Membership" and "Noisebridge is completely fine."

The Associate Membership idea wasn't all bad.  It just shouldn't have
included a mandatory "expose yourself on the wiki" component.

It's no individual's /fault/, per se -- it's just striking to me how
various ethii (ethoses?) seem to have been forgotten, even by "NB

I mean it's not like a community of hackers couldn't have come up with
a technological solution that honors privacy.  It's just that no one
suggested that privacy might be a necessary constraint.

So, maybe you're right, Johny -- a more codified set of ethoses
(ethii) might help Noisebridge retain the right perspectives without
reliance on any particular individuals being around.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy Isaacson <adi at hexapodia.org> wrote:
> I would have blocked this "you must have a wiki page to
> participate at Noisebridge" bullshit if I'd been paying attention.
> J: who's fail is "not paying attention"?
> Nobody's, really. Just proves that "Andy and Naomi paying attention at all times" is not an effective mechanism for preserving project values. The fail is not having institutional processes and docs that preserve the values YOU think should be preserved.
> A: I
> mistakenly thought that the newly active folks at Noisebridge were
> sensible enough to avoid obvious fails like this one.  "Surely these
> folks wouldn't be *that* stupid"...
> J: I believe the Associate Membership process was developed by some NB old-timers, who were trying to pick noisebridge up off the ground. So I guess you feel nothing is wrong with NB?

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