[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: how Noisebridge could improve

Hannah Grimm dharlette at gmail.com
Fri Apr 18 23:36:13 UTC 2014

For me it's more that when it comes to issues that disproportionately harm
women (like harassment) there's a lot of non-progress that happens until
enough women demand it be taken seriously.  If that makes any men feel bad,
then I suggest they learn to be better allies.  In an ideal world, the
people who are victims of harassment shouldn't have to say a thing;
everyone else should swiftly take care of the issue for them.

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:06 PM, spinach williams <
spinach.williams at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, April 18, 2014 01:05:26 PM Rachel McConnell wrote:
> > You probably didn't mean it this way, Hannah, but this reads to me like
> > "men are useless nothing gets done until the women pick it up".  Which
> > is obviously both incorrect and unhelpful for building community :)
> the comment struck me as specifically concerning issues of sexual
> harassment
> and assault, and of other hostilities toward women in the space and on the
> list, in which case, men may have a place in the discussion, but until
> women
> actually become involved, no men can claim that progress has been made.
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