[Noisebridge-discuss] better tech for making decisions

[Naomi Most]

(tacking on something I should have said):

So, points definitely taken about the potential for abuse of
technology.  I would just like to see those problems actually happen
before being scared away by the possibility of them.

--Naomi


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I am trying to put faith in the community to be more like a
> community and less like an "Us versus Them" situation.
>
> I don't want to design solutions predicated on the existing problems.
> I want to design solutions that assume the best about the potential of
> the humans of Noisebridge while keeping the lessons of the past in
> mind.
>
> To put it metaphorically:
>
> If you're looking for a good place to sit, don't add lumbar support to
> a table.  Design a chair.
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Xavier Aubuchon-Mendoza
> <xavieram at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You're right, the "secure" part wasn't mentioned.  I added that in.
>>>
>>> The reason I thought to add that in was because I felt it was a value
>>> most at Noisebridge would share.  But you're right that it doesn't
>>> accurately represent the conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, absolutely. Security is important, I just don't see how in this case
>> it's compatible with the other values of openness and inclusiveness in
>> decision-making.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I agree with almost everything else you've written, and I'm the
>>> biggest proponent of people meeting in person in the space whenever
>>> possible.  I'm just worried about those times when that's not
>>> possible.
>>
>>
>> I understand that, and I know that reasonable cases do come up where
>> somebody with a strong position on the matter simply cannot make it. While
>> the Proxy system clearly has flaws, I'm unsure how to change that without
>> creating the opportunity for the very same trolls on the discuss list being
>> able to just electronically block all proposals.
>>
>> That's why I'm such a strong proponent for in person democracy. People will
>> happily spew hate to a screen and watch systems collapse. However, people
>> are much less willing to make a trip in person, be hated in person and then
>> watch the consequences of their actions destroy the space they are in. Also,
>> technological systems are easy to subvert. What would happen when somebody
>> claims their "I block!" button didn't work, and so the last proposal was
>> invalid?
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I shouldn't worry so much? Maybe when there are Working Groups,
>>> the meetings will be less burdened, and therefore more productive?
>>
>>
>> I'm not familiar with this working group thing?
>>
>>>
>>> But one thing I do want to try is having more reasoned discussions
>>> ahead of the meetings.  Technology helps a lot with that, since I have
>>> no guarantees of when I or anyone else will happen to be in the space
>>> AND want to talk rather than hack.
>>
>>
>> I concur absolutely!
>>
>>  -Xavier
>
>
>
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