[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen
Norman Bradley
pryankster at gmail.com
Thu Apr 3 23:13:27 UTC 2014
The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how to
wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes
before putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can
get quite expensive.
You are entitled to your own opinion.
You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
Norman
On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>
> DISHWASHER
>
> every company i've worked at has a dishwasher. i hate washing dishes,
> myself. i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring
> manual labor like washing dishes. and look! we have the technology to
> make dishes be washed themselves!
>
> I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com
> <mailto:pnaomi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Btw, point of information:
>
> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com
> <mailto:pnaomi at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
> > dishes clean. I have seen that happen many times in my various
> shared
> > living situations.
> >
> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are
> ignorant of
> > something is basically a nonstarter. I don't know how to read
> what's
> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
> > pour a drink. Do you?
> >
> > --Naomi
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm
> <dharlette at gmail.com <mailto:dharlette at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
> kitchen. The
> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a
> dish and has
> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
> mobilized to
> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
> understanding."
> >>
> >> Excuse me, what? Dishwashing is a very simple thing. We
> should not have to
> >> teach people how to wash the dishes. If you do not know how to
> wash your
> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha
> <dmhomee at gmail.com <mailto:dmhomee at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
> >>>
> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and
> understanding and
> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back
> is really
> >>> really important foundational work. Big plus!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist
> <sundquistjames at gmail.com <mailto:sundquistjames at gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal
> usage of the
> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30. Coffee and
> cake were
> >>>> served. We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how
> to have
> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
> >>>>
> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this
> in-person and
> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the
> kitchen will not
> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself. I just want to note
> that this
> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able
> to speak their
> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
> perspective by
> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect
> you is
> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the
> space without a
> >>>> communal kitchen. Any valid concerns of those who want to
> disable are
> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
> kitchen.
> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to
> wash a dish and
> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people
> are mobilized to
> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
> understanding.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
> respectful
> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity,
> because community
> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how
> people are
> >>>> introduced to this space. Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge;
> we're a 501c3
> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.
> This is a
> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to
> wash your own
> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
> >>>>
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