[Noisebridge-discuss] Having a discussion about the kitchen

daravinne daravinne at gmail.com
Thu Apr 3 23:32:47 UTC 2014


so uh

http://www.amazon.com/InterDesign-Clean-Dirty-Dishwasher-Indicator/dp/B00004XSF9/

in the same vein, a reminder sign reminding people to scrape their dishes
before putting them in the dishwasher.



On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:

> Agreed. And there's the even simpler problem of not having a single,
> easy-to-follow system to determine whether the contents are clean or not.
> Still interested in hearing how the first one went away. This is obviously
> out of date:
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Dishwasher
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  The problem I see with a dishwasher is that if people "don't know how
>> to wash a disk" then they will most likely won't scrape off the dishes
>> before putting in the washer. Repeatedly fixing a plugged up washer can get
>> quite expensive.
>>
>> You are entitled to your own opinion.
>> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> On 4/3/2014 3:28 PM, daravinne wrote:
>>
>> i said it on the other thread and i will say it again.
>>
>>  DISHWASHER
>>
>>  every company i've worked at has a dishwasher.  i hate washing dishes,
>> myself.  i don't want to waste time away from projects to do boring manual
>> labor like washing dishes.  and look! we have the technology to make dishes
>> be washed themselves!
>>
>>  I am willing to throw money at obtaining a dishwasher for the space.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Btw, point of information:
>>>
>>> sudo room has a dishwasher.
>>>
>>> --Naomi
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have no problem believing that some people don't know how to get
>>> > dishes clean.  I have seen that happen many times in my various shared
>>> > living situations.
>>> >
>>> > Asserting that people "should not" do a thing if they are ignorant of
>>> > something is basically a nonstarter.  I don't know how to read what's
>>> > available in people's brains as they take a glass from the shelf and
>>> > pour a drink.  Do you?
>>> >
>>> > --Naomi
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> "2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>> kitchen. The
>>> >> average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a dish
>>> and has
>>> >> an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are mobilized
>>> to
>>> >> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>> understanding."
>>> >>
>>> >> Excuse me, what?  Dishwashing is a very simple thing.  We should not
>>> have to
>>> >> teach people how to wash the dishes.  If you do not know how to wash
>>> your
>>> >> own dishes, then you should not be using a community kitchen.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT HELL YEAH COMMUNITY BUILDING
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks so much James and Dana, these conversations and understanding
>>> and
>>> >>> getting past preconceptions of each other and reporting back is
>>> really
>>> >>> really important foundational work.  Big plus!!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:05 AM, James Sundquist <
>>> sundquistjames at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Last night there was a lengthy discussion about communal usage of
>>> the
>>> >>>> kitchen that spontaneously lasted from 9 - 11:30.  Coffee and cake
>>> were
>>> >>>> served.  We talked about do-ocracy, responsibility, and how to have
>>> >>>> effective communication about the kitchen.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A big take away was that people need to talk about this in-person
>>> and
>>> >>>> consider how it impacts everyone, because removing the kitchen will
>>> not
>>> >>>> remove Noisebridge's problems by itself.  I just want to note that
>>> this
>>> >>>> really was a discussion, which included everyone being able to
>>> speak their
>>> >>>> mind while being respected; the point of talking was to gain
>>> perspective by
>>> >>>> asking questions rather than talking over others.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 1) A big reason the daily users of the kitchen do not respect you is
>>> >>>> because they do not know you or feel any connection in the space
>>> without a
>>> >>>> communal kitchen.  Any valid concerns of those who want to disable
>>> are
>>> >>>> unknown to the daily users of the kitchen.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2) There is no clear understanding of how to properly use the
>>> kitchen.
>>> >>>> The average person in the kitchen does not understand how to wash a
>>> dish and
>>> >>>> has an opportunity to be taught. Once again a couple people are
>>> mobilized to
>>> >>>> micromanage the kitchen, but there is no greater community
>>> understanding.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 3) It is difficult to know how capable we all are of having a
>>> respectful
>>> >>>> conversation to allows people to maintain their dignity, because
>>> community
>>> >>>> building should be the goal when people are in conflict.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 4) A big part of this as I understood it was reassessing how people
>>> are
>>> >>>> introduced to this space.  Example, "Welcome to Noisebridge; we're
>>> a 501c3
>>> >>>> Non-profit that encourages education and learning by doing.  This
>>> is a
>>> >>>> Do-It-Yourself space so at a base minimum you're expected to wash
>>> your own
>>> >>>> dishes and keep your work area clean for the next person."
>>> >>>>
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