[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Mon Apr 14 23:32:32 UTC 2014


Part of kitchen cleaning is doing it daily.  And having a checklist.  That
is how restaurants do it.  Sometimes multiple times daily.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>wrote:

> Remember that this would have to be done regularly to remain maintainable.
> Like, once a month. The kitchen has sort of a revolving cast of characters.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am with Jeffrey here.  We should both introduce the kitchen users to
>> the list and train them on proper cleaning/food safety.  I know a bit and I
>> told V about some of the things I learned while working in a kitchen a VERY
>> long time ago.  She didn't know osme of it and was a bit shocked.  Matthew,
>> do you want to perhaps work with me and plan a time where we can have a
>> meetup and go over that and do so on a regular basis?  Some basic food
>> handling things (like every time you touch yourself or your clothes, you
>> need to wash your hands before touching food again) and how to properly
>> prep/cook/cool things so that contamination does not occur?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The people I've talked to who frequent the kitchen either do not spend
>>> much time online or are unaware of the Noisebridge discussion list. You
>>> won't hear equally from both sides on this list.
>>>
>>> Jeffrey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I totally agree with Jim (food hacking is awesome, we borrowed
>>>> noisebridge equipment to create
>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_mate_mk.5) and Naomi too (it's time to
>>>> get real and be do-ocratic). I say this especially since I've recently
>>>> enjoyed Francisco's banana vinegar, born of Noisebridge-based cooking
>>>> workshops, and available at local farmer's markets (or directly from the
>>>> source)!
>>>>
>>>> Who will speak for the Noisebridge kitchen?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps this is a radical-inclusivity outreach opportunity...
>>>>
>>>> To whoever it may be: I promise to give the kitchen a good bit of
>>>> elbow-grease every time I visit!
>>>>
>>>> p.s. greatest draw-back of the current sudo room location is no proper
>>>> kitchen ;(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's fine, Jim.  If people believe that, they should be fired up
>>>>> about protecting the kitchen.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Naomi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>> > presence of a kitchen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > JS: The kitchen facilities have been used for useful,
>>>>> > even admirable hacking and therefore as much
>>>>> > relevant to the core mission as the sewing machines,
>>>>> > and arguably more so than the darkroom.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 04/14/2014 03:07 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Here is how I came to the conclusion that we should issue an
>>>>> ultimatum
>>>>> >> for cleaning up the kichen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> (I don't care how we got to the situation we're in, and none of the
>>>>> >> following should be read as implying blame.)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Read each point as a statement of fact, but please debate me on
>>>>> >> individual points if they seem incorrect.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>> >> presence of a kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2. The kitchen has been stochastically maintained whilst being
>>>>> nearly
>>>>> >> constantly used.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 3. The usage of the kitchen has been largely by those who don't
>>>>> >> understand the health hazards of misusing a shared community
>>>>> kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> (again: please don't read blame into these statements. it doesn't
>>>>> >> matter "who", it only matters "what".)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 4. Because of (2) and (3), the kitchen has become a health hazard.
>>>>> >> (Many health hazards: mold, vermin, cross-contamination, etc)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 5. There are many people who love having a kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 6. There are many people who dislike or don't care about having a
>>>>> kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 7. Those belonging to (6) mostly want to see the kitchen removed.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 8. Those belonging to (5) mostly want to keep the kitchen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 9. Health hazards are Bad.  Like, "harassment" Bad.  Like, someone
>>>>> >> could get a bad disease Bad.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 10. Those belonging to (5) ought to be putting work into making the
>>>>> >> kitchen NOT a health hazard.  The onus falls on the group who uses
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> space to do something about it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 11. Those belonging to (5) have thus far not shown initiative in
>>>>> >> protecting the resource.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 12. Those belonging to (6) ought to incentivize those belonging to
>>>>> (5)
>>>>> >> to hurry up and do something about it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> OK, does that make sense?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This isn't about any authority trying to step in and "punish"
>>>>> people.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is about making it clear that if people want a thing to exist
>>>>> at
>>>>> >> Noisebridge -- particular one that is fairly peripheral to what
>>>>> >> Noisebridge is about -- they should take care of it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I have suggested that this group form a "kitchen working group" to
>>>>> sort it
>>>>> >> out.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If it can't be sorted out, I don't think it's unreasonable for those
>>>>> >> who don't care about having a kitchen but are worried about the
>>>>> health
>>>>> >> hazards of the kitchen to do-ocratically dismantle it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks for reading.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --Naomi
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Naomi Theora Most
>>>>> naomi at nthmost.com
>>>>> +1-415-728-7490
>>>>>
>>>>> skype: nthmost
>>>>>
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>> --
>> Ronald Cotoni
>> Systems Engineer
>>
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Ronald Cotoni
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