[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: N0_Hat's reaction to User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my User:Flamsmark
hush.hat at hushmail.com
hush.hat at hushmail.com
Thu Feb 27 14:30:11 UTC 2014
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 01:04:57 +0000
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] N0_Hat's reaction to
User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my
User:Flamsmark
To: "Gregory Dillon"
Then i really must agree, Noisebridge is not the place for you, try
going to a Starbucks as you clearly come to Noisebridge to have coffee
and look for a place which is neat and to your preferences to enjoy
your morning ritual.
You have no witnesses and no proof of all the claims you make, you
just happen to be the only person who is so outspoken and consistent.
How can it be that you do not have a single witness or shred of
documented evidence that can be confirmed by others after all this
time.
Your surveillance blog has already been proven to have exaggerated and
falsified information, people are already coming forward to testify
against the extreme edits you have made to the information while
posing to sound like the news for Noisebridge.
You did not even come forward about the physical assault that happened
to Qbit and then refused to testify that that it even occurred when
asked, you also let the person doing the assault back into the space
and didnt even bother to stop them from entering the room me an Qbit
were in, putting both me the mediator, and Qbit in physical danger.
Their is eye witness to this account of your selective behavior as
well which you never wrote about in your blog or mentioned to any
members in or out of a meeting. Your priorities seem to be crafted is
a very strange way, and User, and newly appointed Council Member
MadCap also brought this person who did the physical assault on Qbit
back into the space knowing full well that an assault had occurred and
both of you were verbally asked not to ever let them enter noisebridge
unless at a Tuesday meeting and they had been asked to leave. Why
would you and User and newly appointed Council Member MadCap
participate in such un-excellent behavior and both not mention
anything about it. This account has also been recorded with User and
newly appointed Council Member MadCap by many Members and Council
Members including myself who are willing to verify and testify to it.
I suggest you bring lots of evidence and witnesses so people can trust
your statements more, at the moment it is just you talking, i find
that very strange. I also find it even more strange what both you and
User and newly appointed Council Member MadCap don't even talk about
though it is of such high magnitude.
Please explain yourself to the community so we can better understand
these strange actions taken by you and User and newly appointed
Council Member MadCap who is up for ban today for this and other
deliberate abusive behavior in the space over the span of two months.
I hope as User and newly appointed Council Member MadCap best friend
you can arrive today in his defense to help the community deal with
this consensus issue in a efficient and effective manner.
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On 02/26/2014 at 12:40 AM, "Gregory Dillon" wrote:That false attack
was written by someone trying to shift attention from living at 2169.
It happened the way I said and not the way the third party to a hush
mail account wrote . I don't think I am supposed to respond right now
to a rainbow of absolute falsehoods
I would like some sense of the community to know if people think it is
okay for me to note who is sleeping at 2169. If most of the people
think that taking notes of who lives at NB and leaves the mess of food
is a privacy violation inconsistent with the Noisebridge vision -
then Noisebridge isn't the place for me.
The conflict resolution process is important and valuable.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
Whoops, thought you had responded to the Mitch thread.
Regardless, the same is true here.
I'll explain myself at the meeting. If you don't come, I'll take
that
as a refusal to be reasonable. :)
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
> I mean that I am taking one of my few precious free evenings in
this
> life to come to Noisebridge and understand what the fuck went wrong
> here, and I expect that Lee Sonko should be there.
>
> I know you guys (Tom and Al) are doing a great job at the roles
you've
> set out for yourselves. You should keep doing them. We need to
> discuss how people can avoid invoking the powers you've assumed.
That
> includes yourselves.
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Al Sweigart wrote:
>> Naomi, what do you mean by that?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Naomi Gmail wrote:
>>>
>>> "up for ban by Tom"
>>>
>>> The single most indicative phrase in the whole account.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Howard Tsu wrote:
>>>
>>> Supplementation: lack of communication and understanding on
behalf of both
>>> parties.
>>> Recent engagements have only been "you are sleeping" & "no I am
not."
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge
wiki?
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account
of the
>>>> events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the
bottom of
>>>> his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit
to fit my
>>>> account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who
were in the
>>>> space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:
>>>>
>>>> Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the
Tuesday meeting
>>>>
>>>> I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the
Tuesday
>>>> meeting. (true)
>>>>
>>>> I arrived about 6:30, (false 5:30) and put on the lights (turned
on all
>>>> the lights in the Hackertorium where 3 people were working in
the dark on
>>>> their computers with only light LED lights on). He became
incensed (false)
>>>> asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic
equiptment
>>>> shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl
in agreement,
>>>> 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it was
too bright.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with
rage while
>>>> standing
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg,
its just
>>>> the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night
on a project
>>>> can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the
electronics
>>>> shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit
at the center
>>>> to the table on the elevator side of the table)."
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i
am just
>>>> asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its
too early in
>>>> the morning and its straining our eyes."
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to
turn off
>>>> one of the lights what does your statement have to do with
that?"
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make
some
>>>> coffee)
>>>>
>>>> leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in
such an
>>>> extreme manner.
>>>>
>>>> that I turned on the lights. A
>>>>
>>>> I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. He
turned light
>>>> off false
>>>>
>>>> When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most,
glasses (
>>>> one ), plates ( one ) and uneaten food on the common table (
just my bag of
>>>> nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to
all my stuff )
>>>> true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat
or Qbit or
>>>> Sid. I asked who's? True and got no response.True, no reply was
given
>>>> because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were
being spoken
>>>> to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone I began cleaning it
up, and
>>>> Josh went all argumentative again not to touch his food instead
of taking
>>>> the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos
which belonged
>>>> to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket
covered chair
>>>> on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i said
was,
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my
permission like
>>>> that."
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the
light but
>>>> you wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i
asked for, so
>>>> since this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take
orders
>>>> from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no
Authoritative
>>>> power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which
he is still
>>>> holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On
the way
>>>> back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i
say, "Gregory
>>>> please don't touch my stuff again like that without my
permission i consider
>>>> is extremely rude"
>>>>
>>>> I said he needs to acknowledge and clean. true Became more
argumentative.
>>>> false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go
around just
>>>> peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and
>>>> inconsiderate"
>>>>
>>>> I asked him to leave true
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here
now!")
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!"
screaming at
>>>> the top of his lungs.
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"
>>>>
>>>> QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he
hasent done
>>>> anything to you!
>>>>
>>>> Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat
hasent
>>>> done anything to deserve being asked to leave.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i
should be
>>>> asked to leave?"
>>>>
>>>> Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it
>>>>
>>>> Sid: No you don't have to leave
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am
not going
>>>> anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done
anything that
>>>> deserves me being asked to leave
>>>>
>>>> and not return until the Tuesday meeting true. He said he wasn't
going
>>>> anywhere true and claimed that I was being rude. true
>>>>
>>>> hmmn (storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step
down the
>>>> stairs)
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked
>>>>
>>>> Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in
the
>>>> library which was completely empty why out of all days did he
pick today to
>>>> sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to
figure that
>>>> guy out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets
put some
>>>> music on to restore the vibe in here."
>>>>
>>>> Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place,
shit like
>>>> this happens"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a
true
>>>> account, two:
>>>> Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were
in the
>>>> hacker-torium when incident occurred
>>>>
>>>> ----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, zero
>>>>
>>>> further more on the Feb 19 post to his discussion tab claims,
and i
>>>> quote, " when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual asked to
leave status"
>>>> [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he
stormed off.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me,
Sid, and
>>>> Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need
to leave out
>>>> so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for
ban my Tom for
>>>> not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the
community ,
>>>> this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took
because they have
>>>> great effect on me in the Noisebridge community.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th
(which i
>>>> can provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident
with you,
>>>> this is a direct quote.
>>>> "This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this
morning,
>>>> and he recognized that he handles the situation with previous
judgments as
>>>> he should have communicated more- in that when entering the
space and seeing
>>>> people having turned the lights off he should have asked first
instead of
>>>> imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized
that his
>>>> actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack of
>>>> understanding and communication. A standard protocol in dealing
with
>>>> disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until
it can be
>>>> either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at
large to
>>>> assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. As unfair as
the
>>>> situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to
Greg and come
>>>> to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not
come back
>>>> to the space until next Tuesday if you are willing to do the
same (no i was
>>>> not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway)
(no more
>>>> morning check-ups(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down
the space
>>>> with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture
selectively
>>>> amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or dosed
off and
>>>> then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it ).
Instead of
>>>> resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open
line of
>>>> communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win
situation. (i was
>>>> never once been contacted my Gregory)"
>>>>
>>>> Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking
to speak
>>>> with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my
pseudonym not being
>>>> used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and
asking 3
>>>> different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not
comply due to
>>>> security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation
which
>>>> happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something
like this:
>>>> User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when
>>>> User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"
>>>> N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."
>>>> User:Flamsmark " N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge
right now"
>>>> N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"
>>>> User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge
immediately."
>>>> N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"
>>>> User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes"
>>>> N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project
handhelf
>>>> briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook
and external
>>>> hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop
briefcase)
>>>> (witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)
>>>>
>>>>
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