[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: N0_Hat's reaction to User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my User:Flamsmark

hush.hat at hushmail.com hush.hat at hushmail.com
Thu Feb 27 14:32:00 UTC 2014


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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:10:07 +0000
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] N0_Hat's reaction to
User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my
User:Flamsmark
To: "Gregory Dillon" 
please refrain from useing such language

I notified many council members of what i was doing and i have proof
of this, you are welcome to ask me personally and i will provide their
names with their consent of course. It was never a secret and i
checked all the laws before i did it and checked with JC personally
twice who built the hacker stacker.

How can i be caught when i was never trying to hide, please stop with
these silly claims, why are you going after me? I am not the problem,
nor are the people who use the hacker stacker, it was made so no one
else would be bothered, i would appreciate if you told the whole story
and not just focus on me all the time due to your personal grudge
against me.

And we are all serious adults please don't use chronological age as a
justification for maturity when its psychological age that defines an
individuals character. 
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On 02/26/2014 at 2:00 AM, "Gregory Dillon"  wrote:Josh, enough of your
bullshit lies. you weren't building any machines/   Enough.  You were
caught be me sleeping at Noisebridge 4 times in about a month.  You
were also caught sleeping by Al, Monad, and Robin.   All four of us
are serious adults.  
Now you are just  throwing a lot of shit in the air.  Figuratively
that leaves a mess that someone has to clean up.   Living at
Noisebridge violates the lease, and state and city housing laws, and
city health regulations.   You are risking Noisebridge.  Deal with it.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden  wrote:
 Sure. Why do you feel comfortable putting Noisebridge's lease in
danger by sleeping there? 
Jeffrey

On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
Yes i do not code yet, still a script kiddie,  my background is more
hardware than software, we were building 8 4gb ram dell's from all the
computer pile and filtering the e-junk, the coding was done by sid who
was teaching how to do commands on the new OS that was being
installed. He will be at the meeting and can answer all your questions
and Qbit can verify the activity if anyone wishes to confirm these
claims. I hope this helps, feel free to ank me any more questions 
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On 02/26/2014 at 12:46 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden"  wrote: Do Qbit or Sid
code? Is N0_Hat more of an ideas guy, or was he lying?
Jeffrey
On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Charles Tang  wrote: 
 Nohat doesn't code—
Sent from Mailbox for iPhone 
	On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden  wrote:
	What I don't understand is someone who is up coding all night claims
they're not computer-savvy enough to format their email correctly. 
 Jeffrey  
 On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Gregory Dillon  wrote: 
  That false attack was written by someone trying to shift  attention
from living at 2169.  It happened the way I said  and not the way the
third party to a hush mail account wrote .  I don't think I am
supposed to respond right now to a rainbow of absolute falsehoods  
 I would like some sense of the community to know if people think it
is okay for me to note who is sleeping at 2169.   If most of the
people think that taking notes of who lives at NB and leaves the mess
of food is a privacy violation inconsistent with the Noisebridge
vision -  then Noisebridge isn't the place for me. 
 The conflict resolution process is important and valuable.     

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Naomi Most  wrote:
 Whoops, thought you had responded to the Mitch thread.

 Regardless, the same is true here.

 I'll explain myself at the meeting.  If you don't come, I'll take
that
 as a refusal to be reasonable.  :)
 On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Naomi Most  wrote:
 > I mean that I am taking one of my few precious free evenings in
this
 > life to come to Noisebridge and understand what the fuck went wrong
 > here, and I expect that Lee Sonko should be there.
 >
 > I know you guys (Tom and Al) are doing a great job at the roles
you've
 > set out for yourselves.  You should keep doing them.  We need to
 > discuss how people can avoid invoking the powers you've assumed. 
That
 > includes yourselves.
 >
 > --Naomi
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Al Sweigart  wrote:
 >> Naomi, what do you mean by that?
 >>
 >>
 >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Naomi Gmail  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> "up for ban by Tom"
 >>>
 >>> The single most indicative phrase in the whole account.
 >>>
 >>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>
 >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Howard Tsu  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Supplementation: lack of communication and understanding on
behalf of both
 >>> parties.
 >>> Recent engagements have only been "you are sleeping" & "no I am
not."
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden 
 >>> wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>> Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge
wiki?
 >>>>
 >>>> Jeffrey
 >>>>
 >>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account
of the
 >>>> events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the
bottom of
 >>>> his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit
to fit my
 >>>> account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who
were in the
 >>>> space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:
 >>>>
 >>>> Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the
Tuesday meeting
 >>>>
 >>>> I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the
Tuesday
 >>>> meeting. (true)
 >>>>
 >>>> I arrived about 6:30, (false 5:30) and put on the lights (turned
on all
 >>>> the lights in the Hackertorium where 3 people were working in
the dark on
 >>>> their computers with only light LED lights on). He became
incensed (false)
 >>>> asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic
equiptment
 >>>> shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl
in agreement,
 >>>> 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it was
too bright.
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with
rage while
 >>>> standing
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg,
its just
 >>>> the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night
on a project
 >>>> can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the
electronics
 >>>> shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit
at the center
 >>>> to the table on the elevator side of the table)."
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i
am just
 >>>> asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its
too early in
 >>>> the morning and its straining our eyes."
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to
turn off
 >>>> one of the lights what does your statement have to do with
that?"
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make
some
 >>>> coffee)
 >>>>
 >>>> leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in
such an
 >>>> extreme manner.
 >>>>
 >>>> that I turned on the lights. A
 >>>>
 >>>> I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. He
turned light
 >>>> off false
 >>>>
 >>>> When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most,
glasses (
 >>>> one ), plates ( one ) and uneaten food on the common table (
just my bag of
 >>>> nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to
all my stuff )
 >>>> true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat
or Qbit or
 >>>> Sid. I asked who's? True and got no response.True, no reply was
given
 >>>> because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were
being spoken
 >>>> to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone I began cleaning it
up, and
 >>>> Josh went all argumentative again not to touch his food instead
of taking
 >>>> the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos
which belonged
 >>>> to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket
covered chair
 >>>> on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i said
was,
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my
permission like
 >>>> that."
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the
light but
 >>>> you wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i
asked for, so
 >>>> since this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take
orders
 >>>> from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no
Authoritative
 >>>> power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which
he is still
 >>>> holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On
the way
 >>>> back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i
say, "Gregory
 >>>> please don't touch my stuff again like that without my
permission i consider
 >>>> is extremely rude"
 >>>>
 >>>> I said he needs to acknowledge and clean. true Became more
argumentative.
 >>>> false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go
around just
 >>>> peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and
 >>>> inconsiderate"
 >>>>
 >>>> I asked him to leave true
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here
now!")
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!"
screaming at
 >>>> the top of his lungs.
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"
 >>>>
 >>>> QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he
hasent done
 >>>> anything to you!
 >>>>
 >>>>  Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat
hasent
 >>>> done anything to deserve being asked to leave.
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i
should be
 >>>> asked to leave?"
 >>>>
 >>>> Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it
 >>>>
 >>>> Sid: No you don't have to leave
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am
not going
 >>>> anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done
anything that
 >>>> deserves me being asked to leave
 >>>>
 >>>> and not return until the Tuesday meeting true. He said he wasn't
going
 >>>> anywhere true and claimed that I was being rude. true
 >>>>
 >>>> hmmn (storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step
down the
 >>>> stairs)
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked
 >>>>
 >>>> Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in
the
 >>>> library which was completely empty why out of all days did he
pick today to
 >>>> sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"
 >>>>
 >>>> N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to
figure that
 >>>> guy out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets
put some
 >>>> music on to restore the vibe in here."
 >>>>
 >>>> Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place,
shit like
 >>>> this happens"
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> -----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a
true
 >>>> account, two:
 >>>> Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were
in the
 >>>> hacker-torium when incident occurred
 >>>>
 >>>> ----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, zero
 >>>>
 >>>> further more on the Feb  19 post to his discussion tab claims,
and i
 >>>> quote, " when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual asked to
leave status"
 >>>> [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he
stormed off.
 >>>>
 >>>> Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me,
Sid, and
 >>>> Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need
to leave out
 >>>> so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for
ban my Tom for
 >>>> not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the
community ,
 >>>> this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took
because they have
 >>>> great effect on me in the Noisebridge community.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th
(which i
 >>>> can provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident
with you,
 >>>> this is a direct quote.
 >>>> "This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this
morning,
 >>>> and he recognized that he handles the situation with previous
judgments as
 >>>> he should have communicated more- in that when entering the
space and seeing
 >>>> people having turned the lights off he should have asked first
instead of
 >>>> imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized
that his
 >>>> actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack of
 >>>> understanding and communication. A standard protocol in dealing
with
 >>>> disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until
it can be
 >>>> either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at
large to
 >>>> assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. As unfair as
the
 >>>> situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to
Greg and come
 >>>> to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not
come back
 >>>> to the space until next Tuesday if you are willing to do the
same (no i was
 >>>> not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway)
(no more
 >>>> morning check-ups(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down
the space
 >>>> with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture
selectively
 >>>> amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or dosed
off and
 >>>> then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it ).
Instead of
 >>>> resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open
line of
 >>>> communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win
situation. (i was
 >>>> never once been contacted my Gregory)"
 >>>>
 >>>> Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking
to speak
 >>>> with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my
pseudonym not being
 >>>> used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and
asking 3
 >>>> different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not
comply due to
 >>>> security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation
which
 >>>> happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something
like this:
 >>>> User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when
 >>>> User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"
 >>>> N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."
 >>>> User:Flamsmark " N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge
right now"
 >>>> N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"
 >>>> User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge
immediately."
 >>>> N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"
 >>>> User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes"
 >>>> N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project
handhelf
 >>>> briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook
and external
 >>>> hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop
briefcase)
 >>>> (witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> _______________________________________________
 >>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
 >>>> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
 >>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
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